refik: exactly. jeffrey: and then the a.i. is making its own flowers? refik: yes, exactly.t happen, it's when and machine and human connection happens. jeffrey: we're not seeing real flowers here, but an artistic collaboration of machine and human. who is the artist? refik: artist is still the artist. like, human is the human there. jeffrey: you are the artist? refik: yes. but let'also remember that it's an -- assisted by a machine, an a.i., an algorithm. and i think this is really inspiring to me, because that's exactly where art, science and technology, a beautiful movement that i hope it's inspiring. and it's most likely our future, where we are more getting closer to machines every single day. jeffrey: you refer constantly to the machine dreaming. refik: yes. jeffrey: is the machine thinking too? refik: no, i don't think machine is thinking. machine is helping to think in a different way. jeffrey: it's the stuff of sci-fi, yes, but art and technology have been connected and debated forever, including in the early decades of photography. dhyandra lawson is an assistant c