conservative block for instance taxation of the social democrats have called for higher taxes especially for the wealthy and the rich this is not in their. refugee policy the social democrats wanted to have a more liberal stance especially on the opportunity for refugees which are already in the country to bring in their families this has been limited to a very small number of only twelve thousand people here so some of the main points the social democrats wanted to push through in this paper so the problems some of them haven't quite understandable and if that is indeed the case i mean it's going to be a very hard sell for the social democrats leader martin schultes i mean he has to sell this to his party doesn't it. absolutely and there's a party conference where he house to stand up for this and to put it in a picture martin who. was a hunter he went out to two hundred and he came back with a give you pick on how he's going to sell that to his party i'm not quite sure. remind us because i mean selling it to his party is only one of the next steps until we can see a viable coalition formed in the country just walk us through all the technicalities. w

have in it for instance taxation the social democrats wanted to raise taxes especially for the wealthy and the rich this is not in the paper or if we look at the refugee policy the social democrats wanted to. bring back the right for future refugees to. go to to bring their families into germany this is only in there but the very in a very limited version only twelve thousand refugees will be allowed in the coming into the country on this premises so many of the things the social democrats wanted in this paper and this could also be a problem all right so the s.p.d. had to make a lot of concessions rupert i suggest that we take a listen to a bit of the press conference and i continue our conversation but i was hawks were long and they were hard and last night things got very exciting and interesting in every sense of the way it's turbulent. but it's carried out in a spirit of respect and i want to thank everyone we struggled we really did. struggle very intensely with one another because you know the obviously. you want to clarify as much as you possibly can before entering into a. coalition of negotiation. these were intense. very in-depth exploratory talks

the conservative parties here have taken a lot more of a conservative stance towards germany's refugee policy and also the social democrats who were against any blanket policies on germany's refugee policy so this was always going to be difficult especially with the c.s.u. that's the bavarian system party to angela merkel's c.d.u. and they are very much against letting more refugees in to germany and so this was always going to be quite difficult so under the what where and saying is the agreement that's come out of the negotiations so far is that family. family reunions for refugees who wish to bring their family to germany will remain suspended until the thirty first of july and they say after from the thirty first of july on once there will be a monthly cap of one thousand people but on top of this and this is what is being kind of sold as the win for the social democrats is that there will also be some cases of extreme hardship so this could include refugees who have been given subsidiary protection but it's not one hundred percent clear exactly who will be included in these cases of hardship yet and so refugees who h

exploratory talks with the center left social democrats after previous negotiations with other parties failed sticking points this time around are expected to include germany's refugee policies and its approach to european integration. have a listen to what merkel and the social democrat leader martin schultz had to say as the talks got underway. because the c.d.u. is going into these talks with the aim of creating the conditions to form a stable government. that's because we believe that the task ahead for which we have the voters' mandate are enormous in terms of foreign policy challenges european challenges and also in domestic affairs. we all sensed that the challenges for a new federal government however it may be structured lie in that the new year in which we all live must also include a new kind of politics in this sense we will conduct the negotiations here constructively and with an open eye come. over turn to that story later in the shell paris is remembering the victims of the attacks three years ago that targeted your supermarket and the offices of the satirical magazine charlie abdo islamist gunmen are believed to singled out the publication for printing cartoo

for example the issue of refugee policies especially the issue of family reunification for refugees from civil war torn areas that will be discussed though we're hearing that the social democrats might be able to separate fights on that another issue is the budgeting there are forty five billion euros to give away for certain project who gets what and another contentious issue europe though both parties make it a priority it is not clear how much further integration of europe there will be on the continuation of a possible continuing to new ation of a grand coalition overall we're hearing though that the atmosphere is good and that the that both parties remain optimistic and confident that to reach an agreement at some point. in this night from thursday to friday it'll be a long night that's for sure are at a long night ahead if talks end up being says successful what happens next what's the world map for forming a government. well then the tricky part actually starts martin shultz the leader of the social democrats will tour germany and he will campaign for the results the preliminary results that were reached in these exploratory talks and he needs to complain very hard beca

the analysts in the studio just mentioned all of those topics maybe i can add the refugee policy where the social democrats also want to ask for more concessions and it depends on whether martin shoes and social democrats can deliver or whether they can offer all these results to their party members but then also of course this vote in secret everyone can make their decision back in their homes and so there is a lot of reluctance towards this grand coalition on the grassroots level so there needs to be a lot of conviction work by the democrats and by martin shows so that this can really turn out positive for them what a speedy leader. has he come out of this process stronger or weaker. well let's start maybe a little bit differently if he would have lost the vote on yesterday's party congress he probably wouldn't have got out as had of the social democrats at all he would have been in major trouble now he sort of saved his skin for for the moment as party leader of the social democrats but the result has shown that the party is strongly divided that. chorus that he has walked off to the elections is by no

policy the s.p.d. the social democrats they want higher tax rates for the richest in germany which is highly controversial amongst the conservatives and the other all objective is the refugee policy migration policy where the conservatives don't want to agree to let more migrants into germany what the social democrats want another big field is the whole field of finances in general the social democrats. have many many projects that cost a lot of money and this new government can spend a lot of money there some forty five billion euro to spend for the government by the project that are on the table they're worth more than double this amount so everyone now has to step back and give up on some of their ideas kill their darlings which of course no one wants particularly hard for the social democrats because they need social policy successes to offer to their delegates to their party members in order to have a proper atmosphere a good atmosphere for this grand coalition potential grand coalition. so let's assume the worst here what happens if everything falls apart what happens if they walk out these doors and there's no deal to present to the public. at the moment we have to

exploratory talks with the center left social democrats after previous negotiations with other parties failed sticking points this time around are expected to be germany's refugee policies and its approach to european integration let's have a listen to what marco and the social democrat leader martin short's had to say as the talks got underway. because the c.d.u. is going into these talks with the aim of creating the conditions to form a stable government. that's because we believe that the tasks ahead for which we have the voters mandate are enormous in terms of foreign policy challenges european challenges and also in domestic affairs. you know i will we all sense that the challenges for a new federal government however at me luker be structured lie in that the new year and which we all live must also include a new kind of politics in this sense we will conduct the negotiations here constructively and with an open outcome. of covering the talks for us as our political correspondent rupert who joins us now for more so rupert has america all does have a lot of work ahead of her as the these preliminary talks get going why is it so hard for the parties to find common gr

yeah the toughest obstacles are still refugee policy migration policy in this field the social democrats would like to have an migration law it would also have a regulation so that families can be reunited families or friends fiji's but the conservatives are not too happy with it that's just one example in the other fields most of the things that are problematic have to do with money there's some forty five billion euro that the new government can spend in germany that's quite a lot of money but the project that are on the table they are worth some one hundred billion euro so in other words everyone has to give up on some of their ideas and that's of course something no one really likes to do for the social democrats there's particularly a lot at stake in the field of social policy they have to deliver there they have to come come out here with the success for their party members that are highly skeptical towards this new coalition with the conservatives with i'm glad i'm actually so they need something that they can offer to them to their party delegates and say look we have achieved so

ago here in this building in the headquarters of the social democrats and earlier we heard the most controversial points where the migration policy refugee policy and the question of a high a top tax rate plus money was always an issue all night long since the projects that these two or three partners had on the table there were some one hundred billion euros problem is that which is a lot but they have only forty five billion euros to spend on top of this new government so everyone had to give up some of their projects and that's of course always very difficult to kill your darlings particular for the social democrats they need to deliver something quite costly they have to show a success to their voters to their party delegates and that has to be somewhere in the field of social justice of social policy for example a major change in the health care system in the pension system or as i said and takes a shot and all this costs a lot of money and that was certainly very controversial maybe it still is so a lot of money and a lot is at stake and as you said it's been twenty one hours almost a full day since they started but let's assume th

the results of these exploratory talks there are basically three major issues employment policies health policies and refugee policies and specific the issue of family reunification for refugees and those three topics the social democrats have already said they want to take up again and they want to see concessions from the conservatives and the conservatives odd dreading the alternative as make a lot of minority government a fresh election so i think in the end they might come to a conclusion that fits for everybody there and everyone just wants to get it out of the rain thank you very much charlotte parts and thank you as well be sure you look after her in the studio. well turkish back to fighters have reportedly entered the northwestern syrian town of a friend the attacks are part of an offensive on kurdish militias or his military says it has so far struck more than one hundred fifty militia targets in northern syria. this turkish time is paying the price for takis offensive just across the border in syria one was killed by a rocket fired from the kurdish enclave of offering in response to the turkish military operation that despite the danger many locals remain thies yes take about operation olive branch. that mar

refugee policy and we have the s.p.d. who are very much against so that's the social democrats they were very much against any kind of blanket. kind of policies on this issue and then you also have the conservatives and when you look as well at the c s u who's the bavarian sister party to merkel's conservatives they take a much more conservative stance when it comes to refugee policy and so and they are very much against allowing more refugees into germany so this was always going to be quite an obstacle in these coalition talks so with this agreement that was reached today which side won out it's quite difficult to say at the moment of course the social democrats have now ensured that this policy will be extended to refugees who only have subsidiary protection so that refugees who don't automatically receive asylum in germany but for example if they can prove that they would be in danger all its face persecution if they return to their homeland then and they get this subsidiary protection but at the same time the conservatives have managed to get this limit of just a thousand every unions of a thousand refugees being eligib

another point is a refugee policy that was highly debated by the refugees with only a subsidiary protection. be allowed to bring their families into germany and the social democrats wanted to introduce the right that they didn't get bought or only in a very limited form only twelve thousand refugees so people will be allowed to come in here which is much less than the social democrats had hoped for so this very crucial now for martin schulz to sell vase as a success which will be very very difficult for him and that's going to be my follow up question for you were part will he be able to convince members. to sign up to these demands. while the social democrats and especially the social democrat party conference sunday in a week is this in some sort of something like a black box here because we don't really know yet we know that the social democrats especially the rank and file have been very reluctant. against this extension of a grand coalition the rank coalition hasn't proven very successful for the social democrats in the past they have brought in the worst election result. at the last elections after governing together with. so. it's needed to present somethi

the negotiations have to proceed. we know there are sticking point over things like refugee policy, social security, health insurance and so on. but secondly worth bearing in mind that every single one of the 400,000 social democratve to approve any final draft coalition deal via postal ballots before any government can actually be formed. so mrs merkel is not out of the woods yet but certainly the matching clears another major hurdle. what will the policy priorities be, then, for this somewhat uneasy coalition? we have a rough idea because there were some exploratory talks held, which certainly came out with a document looking very much as though europe and the eu's future would be a priority. they were talking about germany putting more money into the eu. there is talk of course of trying to modernise and reform the eu, particularly in the light of written‘s imminent departure. there isa written‘s imminent departure. there is a lot of talk too about britain's migration policy, whether to put a limit on the number of refugees coming in, what to do with people who want to bring family members from places like syria to join them. there will also be talk about tax reforms and there have only been some compromises m

european integration should be other known sticking points between the conservatives and the social democrats are refugee policy and taxation but chancellor merkel remains optimistic the talks will reach a conclusion tonight. as. there are still big hurdles to overcome. speaking for my party i can say will be as constructive fest possible in our search for compromises. but of course we are also aware that we want to deliver the right kind of deal for the country. that means it's going to be a tough day. misson put this in the talk the on both sides have agreed to an unused embargo until the end of the talks therefore very little information on potential breakthroughs has emerged so far negotiations are expected to run into the night. well d.w. political correspondent mckayla cook is covering those negotiations for us today i understand that negotiators have saved the most contentious issues the toughest topics to be discussed today what or the main obstacles to an agreement and how tough will they be to overcome. this is quite a few tough issues and one of them the whole of europe is really talking about is the

seem to be the migration policy the whole question of how and whether and if more refugees and migrants should come into germany second question tex ation the social democrats would like to see a higher top tax rate which would of course target then more people and the richest in germany and this is something that the conservatives disagree with at the moment so these are very controversial topics but then also the sheer amount of projects that were on the table as a problem the new government can spend some forty five billion euros more than before but the project the ideas on the table they summed up to about two hundred billion euros so everyone has to give up some of their projects has to kill their darlings and of course no one likes to do that but the social democrats it's particularly difficult because they have to deliver they have to. show with their supporters the success in the field of social policy in the field of social justice that could be a major health care reform for example could be something in the field of pensions but all this is very costly and this is what they're discussing at the moment also very high. so let's assume the worst wh

refugee policy a very controversial issue ever since the refugee crisis of two thousand and fifteen and especially the issue of family reunification for refugees from civil war torn areas we're hearing though that the social democrats are willing to compromise on and. thing that issue maybe. the conservatives but there are other issues such as the budget forty five billion euros that can be used for different projects so the question is who gets what for which projects and the issue of europe that was discussed this morning we are hearing successfully in terms of prioritizing it's a priority for both parties to further integration the question though is how how will financial integration how much financial integration should there be and will there be so a lot of contentious issues still to be discussed here and from what we've been hearing politicians remain confident they remain optimistic that a deal can be reached at some point. in the early morning hours heading into friday but of course still big hurdles to overcome ok big hurdles to overcome but as you're we're porting they are cautiously optimistic if these exploratory talks are successful what happens next what's the road map for forming a government. well

european integration should be other known sticking points between the conservatives and the social democrats are refugee policy and taxation but chancellor merkel remains optimistic the talks will reach a conclusion tonight. as the norm. there are still big hurdles to overcome. speaking for my party i can say real b.s. construct if s. possible in our search for compromises. but of course we're also aware that we want to deliver the right kind of deal for the country. that means it's going to be a tough day. with this how that talk the both sides have agreed to an unused embargo until the end of the talks therefore very little information on potential breakthroughs has emerged so far negotiations are expected to run into the night. political correspondent mckayla is covering those negotiations for us today i understand that negotiators have saved the most contentious issues the toughest topics to be discussed today what or the main obstacles to an agreement and help tough will they be to overcome. this is quite a few tough issues and one of them the whole of europe is really talking about is the stance on migra

to be more tough on refugee policy is against more integration into europe and then on the other side there's the there are the social democrats and the social democrats have been very reluctant to go into this grand coalition again as this growing coalition in the past hasn't proven them to be very helpful for them as they got the worst election results. in the past so and in the middle of these two parties is actually helps solve the chancellor and to see the you party she is the only one that really needs this grand coalition it is the only option for her to stay chancellor so does this mean that if there is no agreement is this the absolute last chance to form a stable government. in a certain way it is the last option she says she has already tried to form another coalition government together with the liberals and the green party but this has failed at the end of last year and this is the only option she has to form a coalition government with them on majority in parliament the only other option she would have would be a minority government but this is something that she already ruled out all new elections a new election

policy under specially the social democrats have called to follow these proposals and from what we have heard. have found an agreement on that one but there still are some sticking points as especially refugee policy see it still seems to be a problem in the case of presumably about is perhaps the text that martin shields is reportedly looking to adjust there i mean he has quite a hard sell now in front of him doesn't he just walk us through what is expected to happen over the next day is over the next weeks. absolutely these these talks that we have seen here during the last days only were the talks in front of the real coalition talks and scuse me again there are quite a lot of journalists running around and some of them don't really know what a camera is for i'm afraid. the these talks that we have been seeing here during the last days only have been the talk some front of the talks so the social democrats still have to see if they really want to and real coalition talks with angela merkel's conservative look they have. it's not the party board that's going to make this decision it's the rank and file they have called a party conference and sunday next week and until then martin schultz

these talks the others being health care and labor market policy so you know the social democrats are pushing through now what's been agreed so far is that a rule which allows mainly syrian refugees to bring family members to germany which is currently suspended that rule is going to be implemented again for later this year and up to a thousand people per month will be able to come under that rule the conservatives say you know they can't be any change to that deal and in particular libertarian conservatives the c.s.u. have said you know they're very determined to make sure there is no change to it they've really gone strong on this particular issue the s.p.d. the social democrats are saying that they think there should be some wiggle room that in particular in cases of real hardship more people should be able to come so this is certain to be one of the battlegrounds of these coalition talks these full coalition talks which begin in earnest on friday political correspondent sam young reporting thank you. the me too movement is down during news days well beyond hollywood while the entertainment industry here in germany is now seeing its first major allegations of sexual abuse sinc

conservatives could rally behind but the topics that were mentioned before employment refugee policy also health policy that definitely is room to to go a step towards the social democrats from the conservative side i would say ok and you know and i said you know. may have been throwing yourself a wife long as well right. well if in fact she has signaled to them that there is room for maneuver i am not quite sure that that would have been the case because in fact she and other members of her party have made it pretty clear this week that they view the position paper agreed on during the exploratory talks as the real blueprint for where things are going so her science released may have been mixed with a bit of gnashing of the teeth as she heard them saying they are plan to reopen certain issue areas most of the analysis that i've seen says that there is probably some room for the two to agree on a little more flexibility on a hardship kind of provision for refugees to bring in more family members than is currently foreseen but on two of the other points those would be difficult particularly for the chancellor to open up these a v. her own sister party the very and get ev

there's quite a lot of social welfare in there of the christian democrats point out that taxes are not being raised on the seas you says well week we have found a solution for refugee a policy but if you look at it more closely we find out that it that exactly the conservatives are i'm glad to have managed to push through their key issues on the social democrats didn't all right now give us a sense of what's going to happen next now. well today the party bodies are going to discuss this agreement next up the parliamentary parties that's the reason why we are here at the bundestag they're going to meet here but in the next hour. then. the very decisive thing is going to be how the social democrats are going to decide and the social democrats want to pull in the rank and file they're going to hold a party conference sunday next week and the criticism against disagreement is already being voiced with from the party left and so this is some sort of a black box nobody really knows how this party conference is going to decide and they are the ones who really have to decide if these social democrats really want to enter a formal coalition talks with uncle americal and her comes ov

there's quite a lot of social welfare in there the christian democrats point out that taxes are not being raised on the seas you says well week we have found a solution for refugee a policy but if you look at it more closely we find out that it's that exactly the conservatives are i'm glad have managed to push through their key issues of the social democrats didn't all right now give us a sense of what's going to happen next now. well today the party bodies are going to discuss this agreement next up the parliamentary parties that's the reason why we are here at the bundestag they're going to meet here but in the next hour. then. the very decisive thing is going to be how the social democrats are going to decide and the social democrats want to pull in the rank and file they're going to hold a party conference sunday next week and the criticism against disagreement is already being voiced with from the party left and so this is some sort of a black box nobody really knows how this party conference is going to decide and they are the ones who really have to decide if these social democrats really want to enter a formal coalition talks with uncle americal and her comes ove