. >> i wanted to make a couple of points -- bob mentioned the letter from judge reggie walton, which was to senator leahy about the pushback which the fisa court does give to the authorities. he also noted there had been no opposition from any party among who an order had been served in the history of the fisa court. we think that is significant. there's the one opportunity provided by the statute by an adversary to raise a question as to whether or not the government is seeking exceeds the statutory authority. that provision has never been in exercise. when a criminal prosecutor goes ex parte to discuss title iii or a warrant, there are obvious reasons why you do not want to tip off a target. the key to that structure is that there is a particular target. you have someone in mind. you have met some probable cause standard and you're trying to gather evidence against the person. what is so problematic about analogizing that strategy to the fisa court is that you have programmatic authorities. there is not a particular person you have in mind, you are simply saying to the court -- i b

we have seen with judge reggie walton's release in august of this year that actually you can release legal reasoning without providing too much information about the underlying tissues and a secret court secretly carved out an exception to the fourth amendment, the supreme court itself has never recognized so when you say we are doing a lot on privacy is hard not to be too cynical about that when you see this underlying deficit. this is back to the point of your question which is there is a problem when you have a population of you are trying to get by from them there's a certain amount of cynicism and concern about the level to which democratic governance can continue if you don't know what is happening in your name and what your elected representatives are doing. >> we have two minutes left. so if somebody has an easy question? >> the questions are always easy. it is the answers. >> i hope it is an easy question. it may not be an answer yet and that is how the liability issue that was mentioned with regard to the new framework may play out and i wanted to ask about the broad commun

. >> i wanted to make a couple of points -- bob mentioned the letter from judge reggie walton, which was to senator leahy about the pushback which the fisa court does give to the authorities. he also noted there had been no opposition from any party among who an order had been served in the history of the fisa court. we think that is significant. there's the one opportunity provided by the statute by an adversary to raise a question as to whether or not the government is seeking exceeds the statutory authority. that provision has never been in exercise. when a criminal prosecutor goes ex parte to discuss title iii or a warrant, there are obvious reasons why you do not want to tip off a target. the key to that structure is that there is a particular target. you have someone in mind. you have met some probable cause standard and you're trying to gather evidence against the person. what is so problematic about analogizing that strategy to the fisa court is that you have programmatic authorities. there is not a particular person you have in mind, you are simply saying to the court -- i b

now we've seen with judge reggie walton's release, judge eakin in august of this year that you can release the code reasoning without providing too much information about the underlying issues. what we found out is a secret court has secretly carved out the supreme court itself has never recognized. so when you say look, we are doing a lot of privacy, it is hard not to be too cynical about that when you see there's this underlying deficit. there is a problem in another population if you're trying to get buy-in from them. there's a certain amount of cynicism and concern about the level to which democratic governments can continue if you don't know what is happening in your name and what your elected representatives are doing. >> okay. we have about two minutes left. if somebody has an easy question. [laughter] >> hi, i hope it's an easy question. it's actually two. one there may not be an answer to yet another is how the liability issue that was mentioned with regard to the new framework they pay out. i wanted to ask also about the broad community of hackers, many of who see themselves as s

we've seen with judge reggie walton's release that actually you can release legal reasoning without providing too much information about the underlying issues. and what we found out is that a secret court has secretly carved out an exception to the fourth amendment that the supreme court itself never recognized. so when you say we're doing a lot on privacy, it's a little bit hard not to be too cynical about that when you see there's an underlying deficit and this comes back to the point and your question, which is, there is a problem when you have a population, if you're trying to get by and from them. there's a certain amount of cynicism and concern about the level to which democratic governance can continue if you don't know what is happening in your name and what you're elected representatives are doing. >> okay, well, we have two minutes left, if somebody has an easy question. >> the questions are always easy, the answers are -- >> hi, i hope it's an easy question. it's actually two, one may not be an answer to yet. that is, how the liability issue that was mentioned with regard to the ne