regina deugon has said that on many occasions. >> darpa is doing a great job of turning that around,better than others. when she gets done, most of her people are focused on technologies that are going to solve the problem. you mentioned the stuxnet attack. that was a lot of very smart people doing a lot of very smart people work. and once it's done, it ocan't used again practically. >> right. >> so it's not like a weapons system where you can put all that intelligence into creating something that you can use over and over again, now we've got an environment where the tanks in the next war are actually going to be the people because if you don't have better people handling your information controls than the other guys does, you lose. >> is that the fundamental change that we need, phyllis, is to fundamentally change how we think about the problem in order to be able to fix it? >> i think we have to look at our adversary. our adversary is fast, they have no intellectual property boundaries, no legal boundaries, often state funding and they simply execute. we -- >> with vast armies th