they interviewed crew members and they found that 12 ships had regularly been dudumping as a regularar practi, and they were fined $37 million for that act of pollution. miles: whistleblowers s are reay the key to enforcement here, aren't they? micah: in the osg case, there were a number of whistleblowers, and each of them got about $400,000. so the fines are significant and the rewards paid out to the whistleblowers are significant. you have to remember that ships are very tight, small spaces and that while the chief engineer may not be a whistleblower, there are half a dozen crew people who are always in the engine rooms, who are seeing what's going on, and those are the ones who are paid 20,000 or $30,000 a year for their services. and d most f them don't want to pollute. there's no interest in harming the envivironment or in breaeakg the law, a and so that's whwhere a lot of thehese cases are comig fromom. miles: suppose s somebody's in a saililboat or a fishing boat d they see somebebody dumping oil, how do they report it? micah: according to the law, y u can't put more than 15 parts per