to go to was in order to ride at the level that i do, i ride competitively in three disciplines, reigners, which are horsers that do a pattern based on cowboy moves so the horse may gallop into the stadium, slide to a stop, slide, to a stop, back up. do four turns to the right, four turns to the left. fast circles, change, slow circles. come to a stop. that is one pattern. now, you practice and practice and practice. you have to be in good shape. i love the competition, i love to get on these horses, olympic athletics remember trained by danny girardi, a genius. and i love the promise, the potential of the horse, and not getting in his or her way. i have to be physically adept at that. i have to have stamina, balance in order to do that i have to work out, keep trim, be careful. that may well be a reason why i am as healthy as i am. >> the horses kept you young? >> yes. >> the description of that activity alone could wear somebody out. nonetheless sitting on a horse while that is going on. >> i have broken legs three times, after 30 years of hard riding, any profession -- >> [ laughing ]

and i'm delighted to be speaking alongside angela reigner our next education secretary.t. you'll hearfrom forward to you doing those jobs in government. you'll hear from angela shortly about our detailed plans for education, training and skills. there are four weeks left of this gaeks campaign and i hope every one of you in this room is registered to vote and every student is registered to vote. use your democratic right. a positive message which we're going to ta ke a positive message which we're going to take across the country is simply this — that we want to see a better country. a britain in which everyone has the opportunity to fulfil their potential. a britain which works literally for the many and notjust the few. because, if you're stuck on a zero hours contract, you don't know what you're going to earn from one week to the other, or if you have talents that can't afford the tuition fees to develop them or you're stuck in a job that you hate, then you are being held back. labour is on your side. we want you to succeed because those who aren't held back are those

here is ang glel la reigner on the breakfast sofa earlier saying too many students are saddled with astronomicell of having that amount of debt. labour are saying that tuition fees are amongst the highest in the world for going to university. they say they wa nt to going to university. they say they want to get rid of them and get rid of them quickly. it does come with a big bill. the conservatives making the argument that there are more stu d e nts the argument that there are more students from disadvantaged families going to university now than has been the case before. chris mason, thank you. scottish party leaders have clashed in a heated tv debate, over the question of independence. snp leader nicola sturgeon accused tory counterpart ruth davidson of "talking so much about independence that i can't get a word in edgeways about it". but ms davidson hit back by telling ms sturgeon, "the country said no and you won't listen to them." 0ur scotland correspondent, lorna gordon, has all the details. six party leaders and a debate dominated by clashes on issues including brexit, immigration and t