very close to the site _ mentions rn reim. very close to the site of— mentions rn reim.el and he was working at the nova — to israel and he was working at the nova festival, murdered on october— the nova festival, murdered on october seven. i also think about— october seven. i also think about them and the victims of october— about them and the victims of october seven to have lost so much. — october seven to have lost so much. they are waiting for our family. — much. they are waiting for our family. all— much. they are waiting for our family, all the families, much. they are waiting for our family, allthe families, but we should also remember how much — we should also remember how much we — we should also remember how much we have lost. and we should _ much we have lost. and we should remember the pain those families— should remember the pain those families are enduring, never forget — families are enduring, never forget what happened on the 7th of october. before i let you go, the reason i asked whether you have been to the square is because i was going to describe to

focused on rebuilding and reim city. our guest is the director of financial justice in the san francisco office of treasure to talk about how the city has taken a national lead in this effort and how the program is comlishing the goals. welcome to the show. >> thanks so much for having me. >> thank you for being here. can we start by talking about the financial justice project■çn a broad sense. when did the initiative start and what is the intent? >> sure. it launched in 2016. since then we take a hard look at fines, fees, tickets, financial penalties hitting people with low incomes and especially people of color really hard. it is our job to assess and reform these fines and fees. >> do you have any comments for people financially stressed? >> yes. the financial justice project was started in response community outcry about the heavy toll of fines and fees. when people struggling face an unexpected penalty beyond ability to pay they face a bigger punishment than originally intended. a spiral of consequences set in. a sm