. >> to follow up on part of what you were saying -- you quoted, i believe, rinehart and reinhardt. this being a financial crisis takes the longer term -- i think that there's a little bit of a misconception. most think financial crisis means a bank crisis, but it means a debt financial crisis. in other words, people as a tiny bubble burst were saving nothing in the united states. we were actually showing -- we were drawing down our savings, which is really unprecedented in our history. individuals had great personal debt. the government is now running for the third consecutive year trillion-dollar debt, and we have taken over huge mortgage problems and liabilities from banks and assumed that on the public sector. it is a simple thing. you either default on your debt, which has an immediate short- term pain for ratification, or you somehow carry the debt over a long airtime and try to pay it off and reduce it. the problem is that when you do that, it is a depressant on the economy. money is being spent not to consume by or purchase, but consumed to pay down debt or pay interest on t