reinhart, when i wrote my first book, "protect and to serve," he called them the masters of the half truth. and so has that been your experience? >> [inaudible] >> yeah. this is a simple one for me. commissioners need training. they need training and to know when they're being bullshitted, they need training to know that this is not a -- it's not a level situation. you're climbing a hill like this. human nature doesn't want oversight. human nature doesn't need -- five more people don't know anything about law and have a total of seven months worth of law enforcement experience? i don't care if they're lawyers, that's not -- so in order to make the system work, you have to know how to maneuver the system, manipulate the system. so i would say some police commissions may be great at that. it depends who the police commissioners are. but i believe the way to motivate and to get things done is through positive reinforcement. now, you can have a gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, or on the other hand, you can have, you know, you can try and motivate, motivate that way. so, and i think it's a

reinhart. >> thank you, nancy, if more nice introduction. nancy called me and says she liked to have a skunk in the garden party at every one of these meetings and i said that's why got created me. [ laughter ] so here i am. are my slides up? oh, yeah, i can see them. so if you think about innovation in health care, there are two areas, one is biomedical research, and the other i would call operations research, every industry has that. in our field we call it health services research which is aimed at improving the efficiency and patient safety with which health care is delivered, including drugs are delivered and these are quite different areas. on the biomedical side the advances have been breathtaking. they could be even more breathtaking, we could have more yet of them. the viagra pill last 50 years, for example, or something like that. but the reason we are the leaders -- and the u.s. is the leader in this field -- is we have great scientists and if we don't grow them we just import them. we have a flourishing venture capital market suc

. >> my car, which is no longer visible under the water, was swept into reinhart creek, and i was veryp over because it almost did, and as it was sinking i grabbed on to this tree and climbed up. >> that's right. kerry grabbed a tree branch as it was floating downstream. he pulled himself out of the car and climbed up nearly 20 feet. from his perch he took this picture of his car completely submerged. he was in the tree for almost five hours. packer was eventually rescued and none worse for the wear, and he joins us tonight from austin, texas. so kerry, your car gets swept away. are you trying to say safe in a tree for hours, yet you say you weren't scared during any of this. in fact, were you so calm and collected you thought, you know, what if i have to die this is a cool way to go. how did you stay so calm during all of this? >> i mean, honestly i did think it was kind of funny. it was kind of a funny ironic situation that i was in. i guess just realizing that there's -- there's not much worse that could happen to me than i could die and this is a pretty good way of dying if i had t