you have an obligation to relewis threlu release them in five days. this started over a money issue. originally, on sanctuary policies. it's morphed into this battle over who is released and who is not. >> how would you have handled it differently? would you have called ice? >> i would have. what would have been wrong with simply saying, once that warrant was dismissed, what would have been wrong with simply saying, do you want this guy? >> i can answer that. i will tell what you would be wrong. the fact is is that we would be returning back to the very practices that motivated sanctuary city and due process for laws in the first place. >> that wasn't -- >> no, no. >> let me finish. when the deputies -- >> initially set for families who struggled. take a look at its history. even from the -- >> i can tell you as a member of the board of supervisors for two terms, intimately familiar with this. i was an advocate and critic where the laws were being developed, leading up to 2013. >> i'm going back to the first -- >> and then what is clear and what the s