we've been discussing this tense situation with renata pumarol from new york communities for change. george emilio sanchez is from the college of staten island. thank you both for being here. is this issue, in your opinion, driving a wedge between the city and the state in terms of who should provide the funding for so many students throughout new york? >> sure. i mean, it is. and what we're seeing is that they need to invest more. the state needs to invest more, not less, in cuny. >> and you don't want to hold kids in the middle of a bitter negotiation such as this. >> of course not. >> one of the things we haven't mentioned -- you're a professor by trade, right? >> yes, i am. >> yeah, a teacher of... >> of theater, in the theater department, but i'm the chair of my performing and creative arts department. out is because professors -- if my research was correct -- haven't had a pay raise in, what is it, six years? >> in six years, and i work for -- my union is the professional staff congress, which covers professors and staff, and we haven't had a raise in six years. and that affect