>> rendell: you don't listen. anyone who has that bent would be doing it in other places had pennsylvania not legalized gambling. >> stahl: the counter-argument is that you're creating new gamblers, and lots of new gamblers. >> rendell: we're not creating new gamblers. >> stahl: well, because it's down the street. >> rendell: those people play the lottery. they bet on football. how much money is bet on the super bowl? >> stahl: people are losing money for the state to get its revenue. they're losing money. >> rendell: let me answer this. you... you've... i've always... i've known you for two or three decades, you're a very smart person. >> stahl: but not now. >> rendell: but you're not getting it. >> stahl: i'm dumb now. >> rendell: you're not getting it. those people would lose that money anyway. don't you understand? >> stahl: our pressing him on this point led to this. >> rendell: you guys don't get that! you're simpletons. you're idiots if you don't get that. >> stahl: we couldn't figure out why all the emotio

we have to make that adjustment, as ed rendell knows. he's a big part of it. we had to make that adjustment to make cities safer. maybe we have to make that adjustment now to deal with mental illness. this man was crying out for someone who needed to be treated. he was being told to be treated. people were saying he was bizarre. people were saying he was frightening. a teacher wouldn't be with him without a guard being there. gosh, you would think, at some point along the way, he'd have been evaluated. it isn't an isolated incident. we could go back and look at lots of incidents like this where people weren't being treated. senator gillibrand's predecessor, senator moynihan is the one who explained this to me when i was mayor. he used to say in the '60s they let everyone out of the "insane asylums," he called them. he said that was a good thing because a lot of them didn't belong there, but there was supposed to be a follow up which was treatment in the community-- monitoring, medicine. that follow up has never taken place. well, maybe that follow up is needed

what will you see selling and governor rendell, could you talk about the challenges of placing tollse roads to invest in the infrastructure? >> it depends what kind of infrastructure you are talking about. i am not a big fan of selling a lot of things to investors unless it is an appropriate place. but i have in mind is shifting the highway financing for example to the road use pricing and the gas tax is a diminishing source because more fuel efficient vehicles and it doesn't charge you for the use of the road or driving on a congested road, so it doesn't have the right. >> i would say the first thing the federal government has to do in the authorization of the act is lift the ban on states tolling, federal credit and highways. it's insane. the theory is we don't want our taxpayers to pay twice. that's like saying you pay money to buy a car but then you're not going to pay money to maintain your car. ludicrous. right now the moral is we can't other than the states that have been grandfathered, we can't call a federal highway where federal money was a portion of the construction cost,

thornburg, gunner range and governor rendell, governor schweiker and ms. rendell.ud sustaining tradition of democracy. over 300 years ago, a free society to prove here in penn's woods. the leaders of those times were uneasy with the government more prone to political favor into fairness of the people. they were deeply troubled. they were troubled by government exploitation and access them through the course of human events, envisioned the potential for a new government, a new ideal, based in unalienable rights and power derived from the consent of the people. that debate conducted by our forefathers, beginning with william penn and carried to the 13 colonies was not without amid the rancor or sacrifice. but those noble leaders stood true to the belief to stability. stability stands at the core of true and peaceful government. as of this new chapter in pennsylvania's history, let us also step forward firmly, firmly dedicated to civil discourse. let us not confuse acrimony with passion or partisanship with principal. rather, let us take this opportunity to begin a ne

so with that, starting with governor rendell, you have been not just a governor but also a mayor and national party chairman. connecting the federal to the local 2009 stimulus package when a long way to helping the localities do with the immediate budget shortfalls from a financial crisis but that money is not coming back or at least not in enormous amounts became the first two years. how do state and local leaders do this? how did they address both the budget deficit but also the investment deficits that they are facing? >> let me answer that by going back a little bit in time to when i first became governor in the first six years i was governor. we had good times, good growth, growth averaging around 5%. every percent of growth for pennsylvania's initial $260 million of revenue and i took that positional revenue and savings that we were able to effectuate in the cost of the operation of the government and spent it. i don't apologize for spending it. i believe government should spend money on worthwhile things like a physical infrastructure or intellectual infrastructure protecting

i agree with governor rendell.nd doing business successfully as taxes at the end of the lame duck session. >> i think it is difficult for the republicans to have a scathing response to this. i think he took their issues and co-opted them and had stuff in there for the base. i mean, the president's dead right about investing. if we don't invest in our future right now and the areas he crafted are exactly right. if we don't do that, we are in big trouble and i think he sounded the right tone. i think it was subdued because that was the nature of the aftermath of the gabby giffords shootinging. >> perhaps. the makeup of the audience tonight. we'll hear more from the white house and the construction and their own reaction internally to the speech. after this break. when we come back, the man who is taking the place of david axelrod at the president's side in the white house. david plough of campaign for the white house fame. standing by to talk to us when we continue. and a 15 to 1 student to faculty ratio... to make l

they had arlen specter and governor rendell and so forth. it is 9% -- it is a 9% republican audience. i am all against the taxes. it will cool economic activity. we are the only state in the country that does not tax these resources. i am sitting here biking might bet -- biting my bit. i was all for the consensus just cut in washington because i think we are moving forward. we have been making hundreds of millions of dollars in pennsylvania because of various moves by the treasury. i am going to mention the tuition account program. it is 92% funded. i have enjoyed working with the young, recently elected republicans. i had no idea he was in that audience. he said, "i am just point to do it. let's hold a press conference. you tell them why it is such a good idea." it is just an example in the last 48 hours of help finding a way of reaching across the aisle can be invaluable. it reminds us why we are here. we are here to put aside labels more often. it makes it safer to reach across the aisle. let's be dogmatic. if somebody reaches across the

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the first thing you do when you want to deserve power is you rendell are helpless the other party. >> host: would use say this is unprecedented? >> guest: yes, i would say it is unprecedented and it succeeded. i think it's a unique moment in american life. it's not a moment. it was a period in when i wrote my first book, one idea and i was able to pick up was to get across with this. the site. i mean, there was the sort of nervous comedy about gumshoes that kept messing up. and there was a nervous tension about what was going to happen next, what would he do next, what would they do next. i remember a friend of mine went out to get your sunday paper and i guess it had come late. and her first book with a have stopped the price. it was a frightening. and break-ins -- this was a constitutional crisis. the question was whether the president of the united states could be held accountable for his actions. and nixon took great effort to fight the courts, fight the congress, tonight than critical that he was accountable to no one. and while it's a subtle part of american history now, well he

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running for re-election but i do think it's interesting going back to chris christie and even ed rendellor a moment. both took this approach which we're seeing a lot from politicians which is you guys suck it up and stop being babies. it snows, i think christie said, hey, it's the northeast. it snows. >> the world doesn't come to an end. >> the world doesn't come to an end. nothing is going to change. just we'll deal with it. if anything was wrong, i would have -- i couldn't have got back here anyway. i'm trapped in florida. >> there is one national resonance from this, however. in new york city the issue is tangled up with the question and it's an open question, whether the public employees union to make a job action point sabotaged street collect. i believe and this is entirely tangled up with the state bankruptcy that the issue of public employees and their dominance of blue states is going to be the biggest issue in this country for the next several years. >> no, they're the scapegoat, george. when you start cutting state and city budgets and you start cutting snowplows and you start

>> how about governor rendell, he put the snow out there and you see, empties the bucket, this seat reservedoming a nation of wussies because of the snow. i'm from los angeles. i don't even understand the snowfall. we'll leave it there. thanks to all of you. we've had a great start to the new year here. speaking of great starts, how about those washington capitals, a 3-1 win over the pittsburgh penguins. sorry, senator, in the winter classic outside last night. weather was a factor there. on the breakaway, all alone. two goals on the night and he scores, getting it done. we're taking on the pens, coming strong. it could be our year. that's it for me and sportscasting. that is all for today. we'll be back next week. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." how about this one!? not big enough. awwwww. this one? this one? this one? still not big enough. [ disappointed ] but it's the biggest one here... [ male announcer ] let's be honest. no one ever wished for a smaller holiday gift. ♪ it's the lexus december to remember sales event, and for a limited time, we're celebrating some of our greatest

and by the way, ed rendell, great infrastructure governor would've been delighted with the $300 billionus in the fall of 2008 and ended up getting over well over twice as much as we hope for and respond to streams. so i just mention this. i know it's a little detail oriented. liberals need to be careful to be chivalrous, these ideas that get implanted somehow and what we'll lead and see, that although tory disappointment and i would argue my u.k. about our political process and what is possible. >> let me just respond a little very briefly. i don't want to get all folksy, i grew up in a ranching community. and if your horse trading, you don't start though. you start high. >> totally agree. i relates to the tax cuts. he played terrible poker in the stimulus coming up for the total amount. because they did start high. and you know, the democrats were telling them -- they were negotiating with the democrats. you know, they made the mistake of trying to negotiate with republicans, which is a different story. but the democrats were not just evil from the manual. the democrats on the hill wer

it's nice to see it should have happened but it couldn't happen and by the way ed rendell great infrastructure liberal, of pennsylvania, he would have been delighted with a $300 billion stimulus in the fall of 2008 and he ended up getting well over twice as much of what he hoped for so i just mention this and i know it is kind of torian to deploy mengin this liberals need to be careful of the chivalrous ideas and what we'll see that all go towards disappointment and i would argue naivete about our political process as most as possible. >> let me respond a little bit to that very quickly. i grew up in a community if you are or straining you don't start low, you start high. >> totally agree to read that relates to the tax cuts. if you played terrible poker on the stimulus not in the total amount because the did start hi if there was the democrats were telling them they were not negotiating with the democrats. they made the mistake of trying to negotiate with the republicans which was a difference for the democrats are telling them not just evil rahm emanuel, the democrats on the hill were saying

they had arlen specter and governor rendell and so forth. it is 9% -- it is a 9% republican audience. i am all against the taxes. it will cool economic activity. we are the only state in the country that does not tax these resources. i am sitting here biking might bet -- biting my bit. was all for the consensus just cut in washington because i think we are moving forward. we have been making hundreds of millions of dollars in pennsylvania because of various moves by the treasury. i am going to mention the tuition account program. it is 92% funded. i have enjoyed working with the young, recently elected republicans. i had nodea he was in that audience. he said, "i am just point to do it. let's hold a press conference. you tell them why it is such a good idea." it is just an example in the last 48 hours of help finding a way of reaching across the aisle can be invaluable. it reminds us why we are here. we are here to put aside labels more often. it makes it safer to reach across the aisle. let's be dogmatic. if somebody reaches across the aisl

he and surely rendell where some people who saw something in this young african-american woman and encouraged me to be where i am today. host: young african-american voters, how do you keep them involved and voting be on the grass roots? -- beyond a grass roots? guest: i knew that i could not just work that one campaign and stock. that is why when the mayor afforded me the opportunity as working as an intern, we have to keep young people working and get them on key committees. also, help them organize. the young people have the energy and the spirit and the clarity of purpose. but maybe not the resources. as adults and as people who want to see this movement continue, keep young people engaged by helping them to do their thing. they are the future. and they are leading, and they did help elect the first african-american president, barack obama, who is doing and then a dozen job as president. they need to stay engaged and involved, because if they do not, others will soon push in the opposite direction, and they will not be happy there. but i think it is important that congress woman chisholm

they governor rendell, governor elect carbon and so forth. it's 90% republican audience. was not thrilled to watch governor elect corporate who for example, thinks it's a genius dude to say zero taxation on marseilles. and understand i'm against tax. but when can we are the only state in the country who doesn't tax extraction of financial resource when there are huge, human, economic externalities and environment externalities. when you have 7.5% tax in texas and the markets in new england. i'm sitting here biting my fist thinking he is not approaching prudent economic policy women have this huge structural deficit and say we will tax the wealthiest. in this case, i was all for the consensus just in washington because i think we're moving forward. but their mother instead i talked about the money, the hundreds of millions of dollars we would be making in pennsylvania with a lot of various moves through treasurer and right towards the end, i'm not going to do anything partisan, i'm going to mention the rescue of our account program bring up from 70 to 90% funny. i've enjoy