rendell made as well as the politics and policy concern.nlike many people might think, i have a lot of respect for some black republicans. i disagree with you on probably everything including today is sunday, but we have a lot of respect for each other and we can debate and have what we believe are the sincere ways to get to a better nation and a better world. the ugliness and venom that has come out of this president has put people like you, white and black republicans, in an awkward position. will it also affect your political base and how do you feel with it? i mean, you're dealing with one whether he is a personal bigot or not at night on his bed, he has certainly channeled and championed bigotry and he is in many ways mainstream people getting away with some of the most visceral kind of behavior and acting as if it's some kind of moral equivalence to those that protest hate and anti-semitism and racism. >> well, we can agree at the beginning, reverend, that it is sunday. so we've got that covered. we've got that covered. >> we're makin

and former democratic governor ed rendell from pennsylvania. of the three states, a state that really shocked clinton with an unexpected margin for trump with 40,000 votes. governor, let me go to mark first, to lay out what his reporting shows and you from ground zero there in pennsylvania. mark? >> andrea, what the 2016 election, how donald trump ended up winning and hillary clinton ended up losing underscored what occurred in last 12 days is so crucial. we ended up finding out from my reporting, chatting with top clinton and trump strategists, this was an unstable race. you had two unpopular candidates, and if a candidate got into trouble or got a lot of scrutiny, we saw their poll numbers go down. what happened in the last 12 days you had donald trump, some of his best days of the general, he was on message, you had them seizing on the comey issue, you had them seizing on rising obama care premiums and the best 12 days. you can argue that hillary clinton had her worst 12 days of the general election the last two week stretch, not only james

we don't see a mayor in waiting for rendell, for street, for mcmichael, or any of these other past mayorsso, that's a question. and i think now's a good time to have the conversation, if it's rational. >> i mean, can we get to a point where we just accept human beings are flawed, nobody's gonna be perfect, and if you're gonna have any statue, you could probably find something wrong with some of them? >> well, i think that's that slippery-slope argument. i think -- there is no question that frank rizzo was a divisive, controversial character. but i also think that moving a statue, or tearing it down, is not gonna help -- as mayor kenney says, it's not gonna help the life of one person in philadelphia. and i'm tired of arguments over symbolisms. i'm more interested in practical ways that we make people's lives better. >> we can't have both? >> well, i think -- look, the smart way to handle this, i think, in any of these instances, is, first of all, to not morally equivocate. frank rizzo was not philadelphia's robert e. lee. that's number one. number two is, if you answer offensive speech wi

ed rendell is quote in the philly.com saying keep the statue but don't destroy it. he is suggesting moving it to another location where people who admired him can go and see it. >> i wonder if he shug where then? >> i think he may have. >> okay. >> south philly. >> could the immigration debate lead it a government shutdown, or was that just bluster? president trump taking a hard-line stance on his border wall. he says the wall is still going to go up. i don't know. probably going to complicate efforts to keep the government operating, we're headed for a deadline, big-time. >> and he's saying, doug, that he's too long have a government shut-down in order to make it happen. >> that's what he said in front after campaign rally. was he serious? >> another speech, as well. >> is he serious? >> well, you know, it is hard to tell. i mean there is may just be a negotiating tacticment and we've seen stand office like this before. but the president was so specific about this, if he doesn't get funding for the border wall, he's too long see the government shutdown and that's n

i'm wondering, you know what will it be like -- is he going to be there for four years, ed rendell?the country going look like what are democrats going to look like what's cnn going to be doing for the next four years if president trump remains in office in th this is a circus, isn't it. >> every day it's something else >> never seen anything like it i said you guys have been around since, you know, for a long time and judd, is this -- is it business as usual? will it be some day? is this just unprecedented, it's never going to heal. >> i don't think it will ever be business as usual. i don't think the president has an approach to government that is anything like a traditional approach he's a round peg of populism and basically an expression of lack of discipline in delivering his message, trying to fit into the square peg of governing governi usually requires compromise to be successful. we're in for a period that will be, as you say, an up and down period you used the term circus i won't use that term, but it will be entertainment at least >> in defense of president trump, we have

. >>> let's bring in elise gordon and ed rendell. always good to see you both. ladies first with you here, elise, if you're in the white house now, are you kind of panicking. you know he has 16 top-flight provers. if you're a young staffer, you don't want to be roped into needing expensive lawyers when you're at a low her playing white house job. so it's certainly not good for a white house that still needs to staff up. what about the time before it reaches the white house itself if it hasn't already. >> i think would you start to see some people subpoena to testified before the grand jury. one of the grand jury is being impaneled in washington, d.c., which means if there are indictments, they'll be brought before washington, d.c. jurors who are much more pool for the white house, so that's number one. general kelly is a smart man. he says hess job is to manage the staff, not the president. that's a good thing to say, because i think general kelly understands the president is not to be managed by anybody. the lord himself couldn't manage the president. >> also j

martin o'malley, and the former governor of the pennsylvania and our great city of philadelphia, edwin rendell [ applause ] >> i'm also pleased to recognize congressman kyle wear ritty for join s us and members of the city council of philadelphia, mark squil will, lessry russell wednesdayer and is her relevant parker. thank you. [ applause ] >> we are joined by our great partner, the superintendent national historical park, cynthia mcleod. it is such a privilege which the architect of this great landmark new building robert a. stern and his associates join us. we're delighted you came. [ applause ] >> and we are also joined by the founder of intech construction who built this museum on time and on budget, will schwartz a new member of the board of the museum of the american revolution. we have guests from many places and we are -- we are so honored that leaders of museums and cultural institutions from across philadelphia are with us today. you are too numerous to support so raise your hands so that everyone knows you are here. thank you for turning out and joining us and welcoming us as we pr

rendell. who would have known? point out it's sort of hard to say with one hand that the democrats need to be more centrist and at the same time cite last year's election. the most energy and fundraising that happened last year was through bernie sanders and a hard left position on a lot of different things including health care. >> which will win primaries for you all the time. >> right. but i think one of the things -- >> and lose general elections. >> there is an overlap between the racial demographics of the united states and the partisan demographics in the united states. and in a moment when race is a very big political issue that motivates a lot of people, it's important to remember that the republican party is primarily white and most african americans are democrats. and there's an overlap there. >> then why did so many people who in wisconsin and one out of five maybe in wisconsin, michigan, ohio, pennsylvania, that voted for braarack obama eight years ago vote for trump in. >> african american voters turn

you had people like joe biden and ed rendell saying the democrats could lose this election.voters' impact on america because it's one out of three americans. we'll see that impact next year, but when you're outnumbered two to one, it's usually not a very good indication for how strong your political movement is. >> yeah. i mean, there was an analysis i retweeted. i sent it out again it's an interesting way to think about trump voters. they're willing to overlook so much of what donald trump says and does, because they voted not so much for that guy but for a vessel to push forward their frustrations with us in the prez and the popular culture putting them into corners and calling then big them bigots. we have to be careful, the backlash is probably greater than a lot of us maybe anticipated among trump voters. let's go to tim ryan of ohio. congressman, good to see you this morning. you made a comment over the weekend in new hampshire that had some people talking. you were asked if you'd pursue the presidency in 2020. you said i have no idea at this point but we'll see. i lik