eleanor odom, renee rockwell, peter odom. renee rockwell, if you want to get somebody bad-mouthing a possible -- somebody the defense wants to be a murder suspect, who do you go to? the ex. get her on deposition. >> absolutely. >> i can't believe they did that. you know what, i hope, i hope the defense plays that for the jury. >> and, nancy, her credibility will surely come into issue, but all the defense has to do is confuse one juror, nancy. this is the death penalty case, and if this woman hadn't been put up to it, and if she's believable and if she says duct tape and they come in and they talk about, well gosh, didn't this guy go to the scene a couple of times and make 911 calls? that might strike one juror. >> what about it, peter? >> you know, nancy, renee's quite right. all the defense has to do it create reasonable doubt. the state is going to be jumping up and down and saying, duct tape says the ex-wife, duct tape on the body, it's just a coincidence. it's just a coincidence, they'll say. >> you know the first thing

also with us, veteran prosecutor, eleanor odom, defense attorney atlanta, renee rockwell and criminal defense attorney renowned in his jurisdiction and beyond, micky sherman, author of "how can you defend those people?" first out to you, is anything a secret in florida? is every visit, mommy, daddy, grand mommy, granddaddy, telephone call, you name it, is everything recorded other than attorneys and preachers, pastor, priests? >> that's it. there's no right to privacy and no expectation to privacy. it's all public and only helps to seal the case against her. that noose is getting much tighter around her as far as a prosecution. in light of your next guest, she needs to stay out of it. she's desperate and in denial. there's no way he's going to be bonding her out. as long as she's got hope, she's not going to be talking. let the law enforcement do what law enforcement does, let the prosecution does what prosecution does and let bounty hunters get c-- do what they do. he's not going to get a confession out of her. >> she said something extremely interesting to me. yeah, i might go ahead