commissioner renne: ok. chair hur: with the witness list and testimony, are you anticipating something like what would be submitted prior to a civil superior court trial? is that the level of detail? >> i do not think it has to be that details. the witnesses, if they want to give us more detail, great. we would like to see them. it is just a summary of what their anticipated testimony would be, that would be ok. we just need to know what are the critical facts these witnesses will provide for you all so that we can determine how to meet that evidence. chair hur: other questions from the commissioners? thank you. mr. keith, i think we probably have some follow-up for you, as well. following mr. renne's line, do you have any objection of providing the information that was outlined? >> no. chair hur: how soon could you do that? >> we could write a one or two- line summary. there are some witnesses that we are still finalizing, those individuals will be, but once we get them, we would be happy to provide those.

commissioner renne: ok.

commissioner renne: 1 or 2 descendants is, what does that mean? it has to be detailed enough so they understand the thrust of the testimony. >> oh, it will be. >> -- chair hur: how soon? >> as for the back witnesses, we could supply that with in one week. chair hur: and as for the police procedure witnesses? >> i would say about two weeks. one point that i would like to -- chair hur: as far as the legal issues, when could you have those briefed? same time >> let me think for a moment. yes, we could brief the legal issues, i would say, and the ones that we referenced before we could read immediately, meeting the standard of proof and the procedures for the hearing. the other issues, we are capable of briefing them, all of the issues on the bullet list, but i question about them coming before the commission, and there are how the facts interact with the law. there is an allegation that before the sheriff was an office, he told his wife he was very powerful. it is our contention that he was referring to the power a share. that occurred before he was

commissioner renne: do we need that in the form of a motion to adopt that schedule? chair hur: my understanding is that that is not necessary. mr. m milledge? -- mr. emblidge? >> could they dictate the ability to modify the schedule between now and when we next come back in case the need arises? should something come up in the meantime. chair hur: to the parties have any objection to that? >> i am sorry. the first part of that, as chairperson? i do not think we have any objection to that. >> the mayor has no objection. chair hur: would that require a vote? >> actually, i think you already have that. congratulations. chair hur: ok, great. i think that is a great suggestion, mr. emblidge. ok, if there is nothing else from the parties, that being the only item on the agenda -- >> why not avoid future problems and make a motion? chair hur: is there such a motion vice president -- a motion? vice president studley: i make a motion. i think that would be very helpful. commissioner renne: i second the motion. chair hur: public comment on the motion? >> david pilpel. i would

commissioner renne: i have questions. first, i want to understand about the city attorney's internal investigation on behalf of the mayor. putting aside the question of whether the sheriff has any obligation to cooperate in it, putting that question aside, is it your position that having filed the charges and preparing for a hearing before the ethics commission that the city attorney does not have a right to do an internal investigation? >> not at all, sir. we think that if the commission pr

i heard commissioner renne first. all in favor, please say aye. thank you very much. good evening.

renne. a couple of procedural matters. public comment will occur at the end of the hearing and will be limited to two minutes per person. when we get there, i will provide these instructions again, but we would like people to line up four or five at a time, and then when the fifth speaker has finished giving public speaking, five more can line up. this is to assure an orderly process and to make sure that we comply with all building regulations. so the items on the agenda is the official misconduct proceedings that are now before us. i would invite the attorneys for the mayor and the sheriff to please, -- please, . >> on behalf of the mayor. >> good afternoon, commissioners. all along with my co-counsel, i have the honor to represent sheriff mirkarimi. >> thank you. i understand that you circulated a memo. >> we did send it to them. >> we have it. given that we just received it, i am not sure that everyone had a chance to review it, and we just got it, but we will make it available. the ethics commission staff has put fort

commissioner renne? let me note before we take public comment that matters related to the mayor's suspension of the sheriff that are the responsibility of the ethics commission will be handled and scheduled separately. they will begin with a preliminary hearing that will establish the rules and parameters for that process and the dates and times for those proceedings will be posted consistent with our usual advance notice requirements so, again, nothing tonight will relate to that topic but there will be public notice as soon as we have the dates arranged with the relevant players. so, thank you very much. let us -- let me return to the roll call and note that commissioners liu and chair hur have been excused for tonight. three members of the commission constitutes a quorum to proceed with business. let me start with public comment on matters appearing or not appearing on the agenda that are within the jurisdiction of the ethics commission. >> yes, you probably reminded yourself recently a number of time

i heard commissioner renne first. all in favor, please say aye. thank you very much. good evening. >> the right to vote allows us to vote for candidates or party and it is a significant way to have our voice heard. exactly 100 years ago, women were given the vote in california. the battle for women's suffrage was not an easy one. it took more than 70 years. a woman could run for president in new york. >> organizing this conference, basically it modeled itself on a declaration of independence for women. it marked the beginning of the women's equality movement in the united states. >> at that time, women were banned from holding property and voting in elections. >> susan b. anthony dedicated her life to reform. >> suffrage in the middle of the 19th century accomplished one goal, it was diametrically opposed to this idea. >> many feared it would be corrupted by politics. >> women in the 19th century had to convince male voters that having the vote would not change anything. that woman would still be devoted to the home, the family, that they would remain pure and innocen

commissioner renne: i second the motion. chair hur: public comment on the motion? >> david pilpel. i would just suggest this so the authority is clear going forward, so i think it makes sense, and i encourage you to pass the motion. by. >> peter warfield. as long as you are trying to do things formally and properly, i think it would be good to let a very clear motion. i thought you were discussing a schedule and had come up with a list of dates and actions on either side, and now all of a sudden, we seem to have some kind of empowering of the chair to take certain action, so i am not all clear what that aspect is or what exactly you are voting on, so i think it would be useful to state the motion clearly as to what you are voting on. thank you. chair hur: and the other? mr. st. croix? >> i make a motion that you and power the chair to make adjustments to the schedule that has been laid out tonight. chair hur: i think that motion has been made and seconded, and the motion was not to change the schedule but that if the parties, sometimes in the sort of things come issues come up wher

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commissioner renne? let me note before we take public comment that matters related to the mayor's suspension of the sheriff that are the responsibility of the ethics commission will be handled and scheduled separately. they will begin with a preliminary hearing that will establish the rules and parameters for that process and the dates and times for those proceedings will be posted consistent

. >> the police are being trained, animal control officers are being trained, for renne 6 evidence in animal cases is being taken as seriously as forensic evidence in human cases. >> jury members say a lack of forensic evidence led them to their verdict. also a star witness for the prosecution refused to testify. don, back to you. >> thank you very much, andrea. >>> both men are still facing jail time on unrelated charges. >>> a man is in critical condition after an overnight shooting. he was shot multiple times in his legs and torso. his name was not released and there is no idea as to a suspect or motive. >>> on the eastern shore two lacrosse players are speaking after their suspensions were overturned. >>> they were suspended for carrying a penknife and a cigarette lighter in their sports bags, items they used to repair their lacrosse sticks. the board has reversed their punishment and the teens say the policy went too far. >> the policy really should not be in effect when making decisions regarding suspensions, that it really comes down to common sense. >> the pair's records have

the land has personality, renne nans, uncover giving, but a story teller when you listen to it full of beauty, magic, and tragedy. please welcome daniel arnold. [applause] >> thank you. >> thank you. i'm going to direct to them the first question, and we'll move down the panel. >> -- daniel, in the current book, you write about the exploits of famous adventurers of earlier eras, and in "salt to summit," you go adventuring yourself. you observed that you traveled alone and off trail in your trek, but you also write you had the company of a group of local ghosts, that is dreamer, vagabondses, and misfits who tried to make this country home. what do you detect in the desert that attracts the people you describe as inspired lunatics. what did they seek and find there? >> i think the deter effort is for people who don't like roads or walls. they have no other place so they go there to find it's such an enormous space in the sense they can travel anywhere they want. that's why they have big adventures and quests because they can just go. there's a nice story that i include in "salt to summit

. >> i zimmerman follows him renn though the police told him not to to.o be racish. >> no, that is stupid. the one thing we know for sure is zimmerman killed trayvon and the police let him go. >> so the police were racist. >> not this time. they were following the law. according to stand your ground, as long as zimmerman felt threatened he had the right to use legal force. >> stand your ground law is racist. i get now. >> no you don't get it. shut up. >> all right. >> you tell the cop cans you were standing your ground and they will give you the benefit of the doubt. that's the culprit. >> aha! the benefit of the doubt is racist. >> exactly, jon. >> he goes on to say that's because black men are never given or rarely given the benefit of the doubt. my panel is back. dean, you are the comedian here. >> yes. >> the truth is often spoken in jest sometimes. i think that was brilliant. >> it was. >> if you call me a terrorist or camel jockey, i will never forgive you. you can call me arab and muslim. we can call each other names and are being playful. we all k

might retire and what kind of judges a presidential candidate might be expected to pick and the per rennof abortion but how important would it be and how much historical precedent would it be if it weren't just who might i appoint to the court but if the specific actions and decisions by the supreme court itself essentially got put on trial in the presidential race? joining us tonight for some perspective is nbc news presidential hiss tore can michael beschloss. good to see you. thank you for being here. >> >> am i allowed to be promoted to michael? >> yes. >> thank you. >> are theres he tore call precedents of the president putting the supreme court squarely in the middle of their election or election campaign. >> sure are. the best or most prominent case would be richard nixon in 1968 who was saying elect me and you will get law and order, which is an amusing thing to have argued for in retrospect. they said the court was responsible for the break down of america hen could choose constructionists andut them on what the supreme court it was an element of his appeal. probably not decisiv