well andreas who renzo mentioned is an idealist as renzo is himself. and dracopolou circumstances was conventioned if he could build this culture center, mf informs the public every way, honestly w no graph no corruption, and on and on and on with all good intentions, that to be able to do something like that, in a country like greece where corruption is so rampant, and where it's so terriblably difficult, because of the heavy bureaucracy there, to a accomplish anything, in a practical manner, he was convinced if he could pull this off, it would be, in fact, as you say, a model for the country. and i think renzo had his complete confidence and believed also that this could happen. >> rose: you talked about the redemp shif power of beauty. >> yes. i talk, you know, beauty is a beautiful idea. it st a great idea, that people believe is romantic. but it's not romantic. beauty is very profound. this has been stalled by the good publicity. so when you talk about beauty, you immediately think about, cosmetic, this sort of thing. but it's not true. beut-- bea