repive joe courtney talks about the various proposals in congress targeting student loan interest rates. those rates are set to double july 1 unless congress takes action. he'll also discuss efforts to reauthorize no child left behind. sunday on c-span. >> first ladies have a capacity for personifying, if they so choose and this is a pattern in american women and in politics, famous or not. there are two things. one is that there are women, real people, who actually do things, but then there's this also secondary capacity of being a personifying figure, a charismatic figure and i think many a first lady has come to be a first lady and realizing that this was something larger than life and that was something dolly figured out. so she becomes a figurehead for her husband's administration. all this is happening in 1808. in 1814 the british are going to burn the capital city and all this work she put into having the public identify with this house they call it would white house under her term is going to pay off. it's going to give the surge of nationalism around the war. >> our next progra