nother has taken two steps back to north carolina bill designed to clean energy standards has passed the state senate committee despite loud objections wrote republicans and democrats the chair of this committee was republican north carolina state senator bill reagan the managed to push the bill through without that this even counting the votes and somehow we call this a democracy back to the bill itself which would end the state policy of requiring utility companies to buy green electricity from renewable sources all this despite the fact utility companies support the state standards so why would senator reyburn in his coat hearts even care to change the legislation of electricity companies have no qualms with it well if we take a look at the special interest behind the bill become crystal clear first on the list alec the american legislative exchange council why am i not surprised these are the same folks responsible for a wide range of so-called model bills that negatively impact the lives of average americans while benefiting the big greedy corporations some of the other backers of the anti green energy legislation include none other than the oil

election and no one needs to hear that more than the fox so-called news viewers the bad north carolina republicans north carolina has taken a sharp turn to the right the past few months as republicans in that state legislature and use their newfound majority to push through a host of extreme conservative laws now state republicans are trying to stop the sale of the award winning tesla electric cars seriously earlier this month g.o.p. lawmakers the north carolina state senate it is the bill that would prohibit the american electric car company from selling its automobiles directly to tar heel state residents approved by the senate commerce committee on saturday the bill requires tesla to sell its award winning electric cars through licensed dealerships only this would cut into tesla's direct delivery business practice and make it harder and more expensive for north carolinians to buy environmentally friendly cars actually the state's automobile dealers association is lobby supporting the bill screwing over the environment to protect big business cronies sounds like a great plan sounds fair republic

angie's list -- reviews you can trust. >>> north carolina republicans are going hard after state votinghts. joining to us talk about it from north carolina is the reverend william barber, president of the north carolina naacp. he was arrested yesterday at the statehouse. reverend, i'll begin with you. my first question for you is this: if a skeptical person looks at what's going on in north carolina and says, look, this is why we had elections, we had elections, the republicans won, they won the governorship, they haven't had it since 1988, they've got all three branches of state government for the first time in over i believe a century and now you have to live with the consequences because that's the way democracy works, what do you say to that? >> i would say the reality is that's not how government is supposed to work because even when you have a majority, can you not violate the constitution. this group of legislators are acting like they're the george wallaces of the 21st century. you gave the litany of all of the policies that they are in passing, 500,000 people will lose their me

a series of protests against north carolina's republican controlled legislature appears to be growing by the week. some 57 protesters were arrested at the north carolina general assembly on monday, the highest count to date. the naacp has been holding what it calls morell mondays, a weekly demonstration against north carolina republicans' legislative actions. these include cuts to social programs for restrictions of voting rights and the foregoing of medicaid expansion under president obama is health care law. those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with nermeen shaikh. >> welcome to all our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. we begin today's show in memphis where a man on death row is set to walk free as early as today. in order to win his freedom, yet to plead guilty to murder he maintained he did not commit. timothy mckinney was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to death in 1999 for the fatal shooting of officer don williams outside a comedy club in december 19

host: next up is daniel on airline for republicans in north carolina. o ahe caller: i was watching the hearings last night. i am a young guy who doesn't ith politics and i am very disheartened to see interests were not given last night. host: give me an example of a question where you do not think an answer was clear. caller: it isn't clear fact that congressmen from both aisles asked that last time steven miller testified on the act that he presented -- all that we are given is, "i told the truth." we are hearing contrary leaks from the news is organizations. i was this done by -- i appreciate mr. kelly's statement to the irs commissioner, mr. smith. host: there was some exasperation expressed by some f the members given the fact that mr. steven miller had been up on the health several weeks ago talking about irs oversight, going through what they had done during the latest tax season and there was no mention of this situation oming out of cincinnati. guest: to question a lot of people still have is to, what, when, and why were you not telling us more

joining me now, congresswoman renee ellmers, republican from north carolina, she sponsored the cancer patient protection act as an immediate fix. congresswoman, thank you for joining me. i'll begin by asking you, what inspired you to produce this piece of legislation? >> interestingly enough, chris, i had a visit to my area community cancer center in dunn, north carolina, very recently and learned about the cuts that were going to go into effect and how devastating they would be. of course, as of april 1st, that is when they actually went into effect. you know, i just immediately reached out to my staff so that we could put this piece of legislation together, knowing how important it was to take care of those cancer patients. >> what was your reaction to the faa vote fix last week? >> well, i have to admit, i, like so many, were saying, you know, this is a very important issue. we don't want people waiting in lines in airports, but at the same time, when we have cancer patients who are vulnerable and need our help, i really thought that should have been the place that we should have g

north while hopefully lowering prices of the comp. minimal, minimalists. minimal risks. host: all right, congressman mark meadows, republican of north carolina, thank you for coming on. guest: it has been a pleasure. host: we will get an opposing view on the xl pipeline coming up next. later the magazine so -- series continues with the coverage on j.p. morgan chase. the shareholders just yesterday voted to keep him on in his tool role. but first a news update from c- span radio. >> more of an update from syria, john kerry is in jordan to meet with top diplomats. part of the u.s. and russian effort to end of the syrian civil war. they want to bring together the talkition government to about a new transitional 40. five men are under round-the- clock surveillance in libya. officials said of the white house believes there is enough proof to seize the five terrorists suspects but that they prefer to wait until investigators have enough evidence to try them in a civilian court room. nbc news is tweaking that a man who was fatally shot yesterday in florida knew of one of the suspects in the boston marathon one ofs, according to his friends. killed

north carolina. like you, when i look to washington, i see entrenched gridlock and immediate need for executive leadership. washington bears no resemblance to states where strong republicanovernors are using their leadership skills to improve the daily lives of their citizens. here in north carolina, we are concentrating on reforms in three fundamental areas, the economy, education, and efficiency. since i took office in january, putting people back to work has been our top priority. because of a stagnant national economy and ineffective policies of the past, private sector growth has been at a standstill. to get job creation moving again, we launched the partnership for prosperity, an initiative that will provide a central point of contact for business. the private sector posse ground- floor involvement is critical to this new venture -- sector's ground-floor involvement is critical to this new venture. it will allow us to cut red tape and respond to the needs of job creators. getting businesses to open and expand is only half the job. that is where education comes in. employers need a job ready workers who have technical skills that are mandatory in today's workplace.

you see the governor of florida the republican governor of florida, wisconsin, north carolina, you sawtivity at the university of virginia where you have republican governors seeing can we turn our schools into more efficient glorified community colleges, trade schools, if you will, and down play research and the pointy headed intellectual that is my tea party supporters don't like any way. this is a national battle. >> michael: the most important people involved as i'm sure they did at the university of virginia i'm sure they'll let rick perry and the regents know how they feel. david slater thank you for bringing this story that is under the radar but very important. >>> getting poised to unseat michelle bachmann. this makes him a bit of a deity around the world people know who michelle bachmann is, and we want to make sure that she's gone. so jim graves will be my guest when we come back. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>a

part of the reason why, what's happening to voting rights in north carolina along with other things in north carolina. one of the republicanlls in the state would try to make students stop being able to vote where they go to college by raising taxes. it would raise your parents' taxes, punish your parents with a tax hike if you as a student register to vote at your college. but it is not just in north carolina, the chairman of the republican party in maine threatened several hundred college students trying to vote in 2011. in 2012, in new hampshire, republicans tried to block students from voting there. after a election, a republican in indiana proposed banning any student from voting if they paid out of state tuition. she did eventually give it up after the republicans pointed out it would violate students' constitutional rights. in ohio, they proposed punishing universities for helping students vote. they would block schools from charging student voters out of state tuition. ohio's public colleges say it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars every year. that bill passed the ohio house and is onto the republicans in

house support from several republicans including senator richard burr and representative spencer baucus this is the second time obama has announced a nominee from north carolina to head the f.h. f.a. and she thousand and ten the president nominated joseph smith the north carolina commissioner of banks for the position but his confirmation failed that the republicans questions miss independence from the white house since the agency's creation in two thousand and eight and has yet to have a senate confirmed director and the post was nomination and contacts and confirmed he will take the helm from edward demarco the interim director since two thousand and nine. thousand courage to many groups to demand his removal because he has resisted efforts to help lower mortgage principal payments for bar workers and response demarco has cited his responsibility to return as much money as possible to the taxpayers for the bailout of fannie and freddie he eventually became so controversial that top white house officials made a promise during last year's presidential campaign to oust de marco and to make good on that promise obama has now announced. as his nominee so who is

next up lessly in north carolina on our line for republicans. you're on the "washington journal" with david jackson. caller: good morning. mr. jackson, i wanted to basically actually thank you for the story that you actually wrote with factual information in the article you wrote. but the point that i want to make this morning is that all the people that are calling in are basically saying with tea party, patriot, it was 912 project. if you had the word constitution, liberty. most of these tax-exempt organizations really were trying not to pay some of them like $5,000 and like the last man said finally he got to the right point if you donate you as a taxpayer can't deduct it off your taxs. it's only the organization. whatever. but my point to you is they were all groups including prow israel religious groups, pro-life groups. they were all conservative leaning groups. were they not? that is my question. they were all -- and everyone keeps saying it's only 70 groups and 36 got their tax exempt status. if you add all the conservative groups, it wa

republicans, 202-585-3886. let's go to hendersonville, north carolina. on our republican line. good evening. caller: good evening. the question i have as i'm sitting here asking joe biden from last week and he's talking about all the jobs that have been sent overseas and everything. the democrats, bill clinton, was e one who signed the natt -- fta, north american trailed act, not the republicans, so why is he criticizing the republicans when the democrats were the ones who signed the bill. host: fit came down to a choice between vice president joe bideen and hillary clinton in north carolina, who do you think is the leading democratic candidate there? >> oh, joe biden. that's not because i'm sexist. it's just because of the benghazi circus. host: thanks for joining in this evening. richmond, virginia is next and this is jerry on our democrats line. jerry, you there? >> yeah. host: hi there. go ahead with your comments. > thank you. that's it. host: thank you for calming in in half an hour we'll take to you cedar rapids, iowa with rand paul. let's check in on twitter this. one is from andrew

closely following the republican takeover in the new york state legislature main by because of the avalanche of proposals aimed at restricting voting. in the four months since north carolinars of the general house assembly and the governor's mansion la makers have proposed sweeping changes including restrixing access to abortion. that's why more than two dozen naacp activists and even a group dubbed the raging grannies rallied at the state legislative building as part of the ongoing protests they're calling moral mondays. so far more than people have been arrested on trespassing. including william barber. the head of the state naacp chapter, who issued this challenge, calling out what he called the so-called conservative christians. >> where are you? we couldn't help but hear you when there was a discussion about sexuality. my concern is as an evangelical, as a person of christian faith is are you reading half the scriptures of the bible. doesn't the bible have more to say about how you treat the poor and the sick than any other subject in all of the scripture? where are you now? >> where are you now? amen. when we come back more about what is really going on in north car

. >> that was former north carolina republican candidate mark sanford talking to the msnbc crew aboutolitical comeback for the state's congressional seat. elizabeth colbert bush is running democrat blue and has spent her campaign hammering her opponent about his political implosion in 2009. go it was the fact that he left his post. he left without telling anybody where he was. it was about the job performance. is what it was about. and that's all it was about. we can forgive, but you don't forget. >> it's made for a fascinating contest. one "the wall street journal" is describing today as down to the wire. msnbc contributor and congressional guru jimmy williams is in charleston, south carolina, on more of why it matters to us. explain to us because we've seen a lot of these personal attacks, hard-core ad campaigns, debates with the cardboard cut-outs with nancy pelosi, a lot of drama. why is this election so special and who is looking better than the other one? >> i don't think the special election has any ramifications politically nationwide. it certainly does for south carolina, it

. >> 49 people were arrested in raleigh, north carolina, in an act of civil disobedience protesting republican policies. this photo taken by travis long of the north carolina news and observer. >>> and it is just the latest in a series of protests dubbed moral mondays. protesters say they're concerned about the direction the state is headed in including cuts to unemployment and medicaid and knew voter id laws. >>> minnesota will be the next state to legalize same-sex marriages. the governor is scheduled to sign the bill into law at 5:00 p.m. today. it's the first midwestern state to take this step. >>> and for today's must read, i'm going to ask you to weigh in on a debate involving hollywood. questions about a ratings system that say gives an r for brief nudity or using the "f" word but restricts who can see it. but pg-13 for extreme violence. almost anyone can go see it. is something not right here? it's up on our facebook page at facebook/jansingco. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he s

host: republican line, meghan, north carolina. caller: good morning, gentlemen.nk that what we also need to realize, a lot of people i know were talking, this was a massive failure of many levels. livest a lot of people's and limbs. everyone is talking about the lessons to be learned. the lesson learned is that a bureaucratic federal government cannot protect the american people. andbody in the fbi, cia, department of homeland security did not do their jobs. when someone from another country calls and says to keep an eye on this guy, you keep an eye on him. that did not happen. you locked down the entire city and the only person who had never been accommodative or given the key to the city is the man who found the person in a house that had been recently searched and cleared. -- these guys were in here, they were given welfare, given every opportunity in this country, and they hated it. they still wound up doing a terrible thing. now the police want more money? realize whato exactly happened and to stop having each other on the backs and to realize what a massive

canton, north carolina, republican. hi, terri. caller: good morning. how are you? host: good. caller: after the last caller, it's hard to follow occupy that. i'd like to remind her that the democrats have had power in washington since 2006. you know, it was only clinton that put us in power. we will fix this. where are we at today? we're still paying almost $4 a gallon for gas. when bush left office, gas was $1. 5 a gallon. and obama come in and raised the prices right back up. host: tell us more about congress. you talked about control of congress in terms of politics, but elaborate on what you think about their performance right now. >> i think republicans are doing the right thing. mean, like some of the other callers, i haven't seen this kind of corruption since richard nixon. richard nixon was not impeached. he resigned to hold the presidency up to the standards, that should be impeached. host: here's what joseph writes on twitter. try reading the inspector general report, referring to the inspector general report looking at the i.r.s. randy, michigan, democrat. caller: g

is a republican in high point, north carolina.istening toi was some of the callers making comments about insufficient funding for the consulate in benghazi. that is like other branches of and their opponents screaming day after day that there's not enough funding for that monolithic bureaucracy. [indiscernible] it is just an excuse that the uses to obfuscate and distort what is a tremendous tragedy that has gone on here. it appears that the democratic party does not want to get to the truth. thank you. in northt was written, carolina. this is laura -- going on iner news washington. here's one piece. today.in usa this is in the washington post and several other papers -- that is in the washington post. this is in "usa today" this morning -- michael is an independent in colonial heights, virginia. what are your thoughts on yesterday's hearing on benghazi? caller: thanks for taking my call. . think it was a cover-up i am dumbfounded. imat a loss for words. loss for words. i was an army soldier in afghanistan. hundreds andn hundreds o

host: we just heard from the congressman, republican of north carolina, the house will vote today. he's a co-sponsor, plans to vote yes. it's likely to be approved in the house but -- with the republicans support. how much democratic opposition do you think there will be? guest: i think thereby a fair amount of democratic opposition. the administration right now is going through the proper process for making a decision about whether this tar sands pipeline is in our environmental interest, is in the interest of our health. and what congress is trying to do is essentially have a foreign company bypass what american companies have to follow by going ahead and getting it approved in the congress. this is sort of an odd thing to do at a time when the administration is going through all of the steps that every other international pipeline has to go through before it would get approved or denied. host: and "the hill" newspaper said it would eliminate them to get a cross-border permit from president obama to complete the canada to texas project, essentially giving the congress the right to

north carolina. like you, when i look to washington, i see entrenched gridlock and immediate need for executive leadership. washington bears no resemblance to states where strong republicanovernors are using their leadership skills to improve the daily lives of their citizens. here in north carolina, we are concentrating on reforms in three fundamental areas, the economy, education, and efficiency. january,ook office in putting people back to work has been our top priority. because of a stagnant national economy and ineffective policies of the past, private sector growth has been at a standstill. creation moving again, we launched the partnership for prosperity, an initiative that will provide a central point of contact for business. the private sector posse ground- floor involvement is critical to this new venture -- sector's ground-floor involvement is critical to this new venture. it will allow us to cut red tape and respond to the needs of job creators. to open andnesses expand is only half the job. that is where education comes in. employers need a job ready who have technical skills that are mandatory in today's workplace. too often, employers tell me they can't fi

if i'm a republican member of the house, from north or south carolina, two states incidentally and surprisingly with very fast-growing latino populations. i'm going to think i don't want these new citizens and these new voters. quite frankly in a self-interested point of view, republican legislators don't want 11 new million citizens and voters who are latino. they know they'll by and large vote democrats. that's why the democrats want them and the republicans don't want them. it doesn't matter that 70% of the people support it. what matters to each individual legislators is how is it going to affect my district and state. >> that's a great point. i want to ask you one more question on a pretty different topic here, but we've got michael tomasky here. republicans and senate are keeping two of the presidential nominees from getting concerned for e.p.a. and labor. even these fairly benign candidates can't get through. what's going on here? >> what's going on is that they don't want the department of labor or environmental protection agency to be able to do their missions, execute their missions.

first, josh in jacksonville, north carolina, republican. caller: hi. i served in the u.s. ne corps as a machine gunner in five years. i recently graduated from the university of north carolina with a degree in political science. focusing as much as you can in undergraduate on international security issues. while i may not be considered an expert on this subject, i am not a layman. about syria so far two-sidedfocused on a conflict, but let's not forget about the civilians that were slaughtered in homes in aleppo. that these -- atrocities will never happen again after rwanda is a total failure. humanitariant the blunders in rwanda and bosnia, darfur andvia, and now syria. we can do so much more, the united states of america, whether by ourselves or with a coalition like we did during the war under fo -- gulf bush number one. a lot of things we can do besides army rebels. this is a political thing that drives me crazy. host: let's get a response. guest: thank you for your service. that was the best c-span call and i've been doing the show since 2002. that was a very smart call

ason is our next caller, republican from north carolina caller: i'm a black american, i voted for presidentbama and my the first time in lifetime i'm extremely this president. i don't think i'll ever see of africansident descent so he has been a disappointment. >> what about the counterterrorism strategy president'syou, the policy? caller: i just think that those those -- there's a perception that he has that terrorism is dead. terrorism is not dead. and to place these people in the american court system or even american jails, it's just utterly ridiculous. -- gtmo was get me designed for. i'm really disappointed and disheartened. he talks a good game. i'malks, it seems like, but just afraid that we have just roadled off a different we know that community organizers cannot run this country. >> the president announced he on lifting the ban transferring guantanamo bay detainees to their home country yemen. nearly 100 of the terror bayects held at guantanamo are from yemen and many are on hunger strikes right now. our next call is from middletown, ohio, i believe. call. lost that evelyn, detro

first, josh in jacksonville, north carolina. republican caller. caller: i served in the united states marine corps for five years and graduated from university of north carolina with a degree in political science focusing as much as you can in international security issues. so while i may not be considered an expert on this subject, i'm ot a layman. the debate about syria so far has been focused on a two-sided conflict. let's not forget the third side that is spoken of, those civil yabs that were slaughtered in homes. these of that atrocities will never happen gain after rwanda is a total failure. we can look at the humanitarian blunders in rwanda and bosnia right hereand put it in syria. we can do so much more, the united states of america, whether by ourselves or with the coalition, permanent coalition like we did during the first gulf war under bush number one. a lot of things we can do besides arming the rebels. that is a political thing that drives me crazy. guest: that is the best c-span call and i have been on since 2002 and he raised an iss

in north carolina where republicans have taken control of the governship about last week.rd lined proposals, including a requirement for residents to show photo i.d. at the polls. the bill has already passed the state house. it appears likely to become law. on the head of this program on sunday, the head of the north carolina chapter announced plans to protest the voter i.d. bill. the next day protesters held a pray in there. 17 of the demonstrators were arrested and taking away in handcuffs. they were all released the next morning on $1,000 bond each and have been charged with second-degree trespassing and other related infractions. last week we told you about a hunger strike. more than 100 are refusing to eat and could soon starve to death. some have been held without trial for more than a decade. president obama was asked about it on tuesday and reiterated his call to close the prison. >> it lessens cooperation with the allies. it's a recruitment tool for extremists. it needs to be closed. so far congress has blocked the president doing that. what do we know now? screwe

of extremely conservative politicians, like the new republican candidate for lieutenant governor, e.w. jackson. but one state away in north carolina, the most right-wing state government in all of america continues to absolutely plow its way through its citizens. sometimes almost literally. protesters have showed up week after week after week on the steps of the statehouse as part of the moral monday campaign only to be hauled off by police. each week the arrest total has gone up from 17 people the first day to 30, then 49, most recently 57. over 153 people in north carolina have now been arrested for peacefully protesting, and they have no plans to stop. the moral mondays movement is gathering steam. and plans to continue in peaceful opposition to the legislature's all-out assault on not only voting rights of north carolinians but also their economic well-being. joining me, reverend dr. william barber, president of the north carolina naacp. he has led protests and been arrested in response to the actions of the north carolina legislature. also with us, ben jealous, president and ceo of the national naacp. it's wonderful to have b

north carolina senator kay hagen, 52% more likely to support her due to the yes on background checks. mary landrieu, 44% support her vote on background checks. these are in southern conservative states. republicans were hurt by the gun vote in those same regional states. north carolina, senator richard burr. 50% less likely to support due to the "no" vote on background checks. that's in the same state as kay hagan. senator david vitter, 40% less likely to support him due to "no" vote on background checks. you vote for the interest of the people, it helps you. against it, it hurts you. >> you know, it's interesting because karl rove recons they can get the senate back this next time around. it's one thing for people in the house district to go out there saying, i just need to look after the majority of the majority. just the hard cocore republican. even as you point out in these red states, what we've never seen before is when you lose one election, you go out there saying, mitch mcconnell is going to defeat the president. >> right. >> and that doesn't work. that's 2012. but we're going to try it again in 2014 and some reason, even without president obama, even being unable to defeat him once, we

host: charles in north carolina, republican -- caller: i had a couple of comments and questions. one is, the weight of our population has coupled in poundage since 1970, so we are a much heavier country, and my first question is, shouldn't we, if people are on food stamps, wouldn't it be in the public interest require them to buy food that does not make them even bigger than they are? second question, i have a guy working on a house -- he is a legal hispanic resident -- but he was telling me that many illegal folks that he knows, he says they are on easy street because they are working in the shadows but also collecting ebt, snap. what are the restrictions on these programs for illegal aliens? guest: to the caller's first question about obesity and nutrition, but the first caller, you have identified a real public health problem in this country and something people are looking at. again, the food stamp program is not necessarily something where people are trying to do take people's food choices. -- to dictate people's food choices. on the question of illegal aliens in food stamps

host: david on republican line in jacksonville, north carolina.aller: how are we going to fund all of this stuff -- with the abuses that have been going on in the last couple of weeks, i think it is time to kill the 16th amendment and do away with is something you will find everyone keeps saying they and fix it and stuff. if you have a cancer the only it is to cut it out and to basically heal and do else.hing if something is violating or challenging the very republic in which we live we need another system like a fair tax or flat or anything along that line. uest: i don't believe our internal revenue service should be abusing our citizens and i feel that mericans way. i was as outraged as you were to had occurred with respect to groups tarbgtded by the i.r.s. vigilant and demand reforms and accountability. comprehensive tax reform on the individual and corporate level. with youhink i'm quite in terms of repealing the 16th definitely t i believe we need comprehensive tax reform to improve the system hopefully something we will get to work on in thi

places like wisconsin and pennsylvania become more conservative while north carolina and georgia become more democratic. >> and republicanslican battle grounds are in places like alaska, arkansas, very red states. republicans have failed to recruit folks in colorado and in virginia senate contests. that is a very big problem for republicans. one big point on lincoln chafee, he had to make that switch to becoming a democrat. he only got 36% of the vote in 2010. needed to get into that democratic primary. the problem for him is that there are two viable democrats and he might have a hard time winning that democratic primary. >> m.j., your colleague talked about southern democrats, the difficulty they're having because of president obama, mary landieu. in 2008 obama winning virginia, north carolina, districts going to democrats they had never seen before in the south, that seems to have washed away. >> i think you're absolutely right. there is something definitely to be said about this growing regional divide. let's remember that it wasn't that long ago that we had mitt romney as governor of massachusetts and that wasn't tha

we will dramatize this in north carolina. >> the more i read, the more i couldn't believe what was going on in terms of how aggressive republicansr have been. >> this is what we knew our pope would do. >> explain who our pope is. >> that's the koch brothers pope for the south. he is the one that founded afp north carolina, the one southern state to have branch of the koch brothers pac, but he also owns dollar stores. he said look, you cannot franchise my dollar store unless your community is a quarter black and 50% poor. he takes that money, invests it into right wing think tanks. all that, then becomes the budget director. >> he has a lot of money, sees a lot of money into conservative think tanks and causes. he is now the budget director in the state of north carolina, it would be as if scott walker said to charles koch, come work in my government. >> precisely that. except for charles koch that had a lot of free time on his hands. this is the guy who two years ago reverend barber was fighting him because he set the agenda for the republicans in the state, number one, was eviscerating state law that blocks the state from fundi