mean that the republican party is doing better. if we look at our approval levels, we look where the republican brand is, it's at a very, very low point over the modern history of the republican party. and we will need people who can step forward under the republican banner, communicate to women, to hispanics, to african-americans, and make our party a big party again. we've lost now the popular vote and five out of the last six. >> when i -- the thing that struck me in coming across that website was that it was the internet age. it wasn't that long ago. it wasn't the beginning of time. it was the beginning of internet time, right? and so -- this process in the republican party has happened fast. it makes me wonder where the momentum is now. you've talked about the need, essentially, for not just more diverse republican party to come to the floor, but moderates to come within the republican fold. when have you started looking for signs of that yet? when do you think that happened? >> look, i think that all parties have an opportunit

former republican party of iowa chairman ray hoffmann is in the house here somewhere. ray? maybe he stepped out. iowa chairman an shane robinson. shane? our republican national shaffler.an steve iowa's republican national committee woman, tamara scott. cedar rapids marron corbett. -- mayor ron corbett. lynn county supervisor brett olson. former secretary of state paul pate. paul? and the man who introduced me, david co-chairman fisher. e republican party of iowa's ivers. chairman drew chelgren.tor mark state senator brad vaughn. -- e senator jack members of the reinstate central mmittee, david curbman, tony crebsbach. lori shuletty. john, jeff shipley. chad seen hook. joel, bob anderson and mark dolan. tate senator joni ernst. and the iowa federation of college republicans chairman john kaufman. here you at, john? on behalf of the republican party of iowa, i want to thank all of you for coming out tonight. it means a lot to me. it means a lot to the party, and when we look at a crowd like 24 -- this in eastern iowa, i can tell you that the first congressional district is in

but my hope for the republican party is it remains a mainstream conservative party in the tradition ofonald reagan. that means, yes, we're strong in our views and values. we don't flinch from that. but you're also presented in a hopeful, positive, civil and decent tone. i think ronald reagan tonally and personally and stylistically encapsulated that brilliantly. by the way will go down in history as one of the best presidents the country's ever had. >> of course. now, you head the financial services round table, which represents bank interests in washington. let me show you some too big to fathom numbers from the federal reserve. in 2006 the five biggest banks held 43% of total u.s. banking assets. by 2011 that number was almost 56%. haven't we let too big to fail frankly get worse? >> well, there shouldn't be anything as too big to fail, martin. no institution, whether it's a big bank or a big anything, should be too big to fail. if you're an organization and you have financial problems at the level of bankruptcy, you should fail. so as applied to banks, there should be a mechanism fo

but there's no doubt the republican party continues to represent policies and positions that are strongly a gun the latino community. nobody has the party has come not against the issue that happen in arizona and they continue to be issues today. the republican party has not changed its position and then opposed to those kinds of practices in arizona. so i did as the latino community when he tenneco substance and not just here and there, somebody who went cowboy -- we need to be looking at substance on health care in the affordable care act and has to be change and string and it is supported by the overwhelming majority of the tenets. the republican party continues to go to repair that. i think we want substance from both parties. there is no doubt the republican party and substance has not changed yet with regards to the issue latinas care about. >> there's two very concrete things. >> we're almost out of time. i want to give everyone an opportunity for some finishing dots and a chance to respond if you want to. if you don't have to. you can say whatever you want in any other topic. if y

we need to remind people the other party is the party of us, not the republican party. the democrats pretend to be a party of more government, but they are the party of fewer jobs will lower incomes, and more scarce big. the republican party is the party that is here to manage the slow decline of this great country. and is not our mission, our goal. that is their goal. our best days are ahead of us. we have fought this entire debate on the other side's terms. we need to make it clear we are about growing the private sector, not the public sector, but the government economy. the real economy that happens park outside of washington. we need to get our spending and the patrol, but we are about freedom. you cannot have prosperity and you cannot have what makes america so great about individual freedom. without individual economic security. we are about growing middle- class, helping others join the middle-class for it in washington that includes an energy policy that means work produced energy, blowing up the tax code so it is the washington telling us how to live our lives.

if the republican party comes back to the center right, back where it was, will you rejoin the republican party? would you rejoin it if it changed again? >> no, chris, i thought long and hard about that. you don't want to be zigzagging around. i wondered, is the party going to come back to my way of thinking, the old traditional, all those you mentioned, ed brooke and the northeasterners? you heard -- >> winston churchill said anybody can rat, it takes somebody special to re-rat. anyway, good luck with you in the democratic party. let me go back to my hero, marjorie margolies today. i think you going to represent somerton, northeast philly. raised a son. chelsea clinton. you're a popular professor at penn. i know that's the case. why would you want to go back into the mall? >> i never stopped. i served one material and was defeated. then i started to do the kind of work i had done in congress in other places all around the world. sometimes many pretty dangerous places. but i just think that we women bring a different vision, a different view to the table. period. we're very underrepresent

the republican party used to be party when i was growing up as a party you could easily vote for. wasn't a big deal and the hard right and now it's narrowed down to because of the bush years he supported it, if you don't pass mustard with the evangelicals you have to be pro-life. you have to be against same sex. it's in the platform. isn't that one of the residues of this presidency that you have to -- you have to toe the line on the cultural issues or not be a nominee? >> yes. chris: has that changed? >> on some of the cultural changes like immigration, bush -- chris: he was good. >> he was out in front. to the rest of his party, what's going on with the immigration is very much what bush was providing in 2007. i also want to go back to the wars. here's what i think is a legacy. in 2012 election, obama got very little flack for wanting to pull out of afghanistan. from the right. and that is a reflection of a decade of war. because republicans are no longer supporting these wars. >> and on immigration, in his own book, bush writes that one of the regrets of his presidency was that

we talk about the way in which this has helped to boost the republican party and to propel rightward. tea party people are quite pragmatic and we did not find at the grassroots anymore a willingness to turn away from the republican party. instead, they determination was to intervene with the republican party to affect the people who run in primary elections and to do that to office and holds a seat to the fire of republicans are in office to make sure they don't compromise with democrats and they hold firm and carrying through tea party priorities, ranging from cutting spending on freeloaders to cracking down on illegal immigrants in a variety of other priorities i.t. partiers may have. in mid-2010 election, they were going with the flow because the midterm election is an election in two out of five eligible voters vote and would normally be skewed towards older, more conservative people. and midterm election held after one party takes the presidency and both houses of congress is always going to lead to a pushback in the other direction. this election was also occurring during a prol

and democrats have, their best friend right now is the fact there is clear divide within the republican partys one study. on the day the study comes out, you have republicans like paul ryan, obviously a fiscal hawk, out there saying don't pay attention to this study. so it's kind of the best thing proponents have going for them is the fact there is division on this heritage study and people discrediting it and have been discrediting it for weeks leading up to the release today. >> here's what i like to get, the facts. the trillion dollar numbers boggle the mind. we all pay fico from the time we were serving newspapers. like i was. we've always paid it. even though you start at $15 or $17 when you first work, you don't get much more because you worked all those years. it's fair in a general sense. by the time you're 65 or whatever, you get back your benefits, right? now, what about people who are working under ground? cutting lawns, fixing roofs, whatever. are they paying right now, most of those people, paying into social security or not? under assumed names or not? >> many of them are. >> ma

donald trump waged a birther theme campaign for president, and the republican party took him seriously led in the polls. he even shared a stage with the republican nominee for president. but this side show is in the rear-view mirror, right? it's over, right? think again. trump's lawyer told us and told "u.s. news & world report" that trump spent $1 million on electoral research back in 2011. and that research, quote, remains relevant and useful should he elect to run in 2016. and he sure isn't keeping a low profile. trump walked out to big cheers at the cpac convention just two months ago. and has speeches at a dozen republican events in the months ahead. if the donald is a leading figure in the gop, that proves the point of former republican presidential candidate made this weekend. >> what do you think of your party, of the republicans today? >> i think they ought to put a sign on the national committee doors that says "closed for repairs." >> closed for repairs. and at this rate, it'll take a long time to reopen. joining me now, patricia murphy and jonathan capehart. thank you both

such a fragile effort with the potential of blowing up into an all-out civil war within the republican party. so the question at this point is whether the tea party is going to mobilize in full force like they did on health care and if so, that could create real problems for the whole effort and major problems for the republican party down the road, because it would turn into a question of for republican lawmakers to decide whether to watch their right flanks and to protect themselves in a primary challenge or whether to take their chances there and think about their viability with the general electorate. >> leading the charge on this from the heritage foundation, isn't it interesting to see how senator ted cruz is emerging as the anti-marco rubio when it comes to talking about immigration we re form and what it means to catapulting his freshman senatorial career onto bigger and greater things? >> yeah. right now i think the conservative part of the republican party, the tea party movement, people associated, are kind of at defcon 4 or 5 regarding the immigration bill. they've started attack

is he someone that could expand the republican party?rst, chris, i don't mean to be picky but 47% is three words, not two, that's number one, sorry. number two, it's not about messaging. ted cruz is wrong and even my good friend robert is wrong, it's not about messaging. you can't say we're for the 47% and, as you pointed out, take steps to clearly indicate that you have no interest in helping that 47% to get opportunities up the ladder. you're not interested in guaranteeing them health care, you're not interested in extending unemployment comp, so it's actions that the republican party needs. you look at ted cruz's vote and it's ludicrous that he's going to be the standard bearer to convince the 47% that the republican party cares about them. >> one thing he did do last night is he didn't bring up any hot button issues, but he did provide a laundry list of who he believes are the future leaders of his party. take a listen. >> you sit back and you list who are the brightest stars of the republican party? who are the most effective advoca

>> i think -- you know, immigration is difficult because it's so clearly in the interest of republican party. >> to get the -- >> to get -- >> it off their back. >> get it off their back. and so there's going to be a lot of pushback from the republican establishment that says, wait a minute, we need to do this. however, that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to get through. that dynamic -- >> they still have -- you know, i think i like your parallel to tip and reagan because there's one parallel clear there. the reason republicans agree to social security reform in '83, they kept getting beat on it. >> i'm not sure how much president obama can intervene in the battles inside the republican party. what he can do is use executive powers, bully pulpit and veto pen -- >> let's talk about the constitution we all grew up. we're about the same age. i was telling this to our producers today, younger than me, a lot of them. the constitution doesn't guarantee the united states senate represents the american people. it represents the states. if you look at a map of the united states, most of the map

he was considered a political asset for the republican party. the context in which joe arpaio became a political asset to a lot of republicans is this sort of fervor against immigrants, against illegal immigrants that goes with an assumption, wrong, by a lot on the right that anybody who's hispanic is an illegal immigrant, that most latinos in this country are here illegally which is, of course, wrong. but it all goes together. it's this xenophobic attack on immigrants. >> how does the republican party come to terms with an approach to immigration given the role of people like him who have been lauded by this party for decades? the last presidential election had them bowing at this man's feet. >> right. >> a man now condemned by the judge. >> and that, therein lies the problem. i mean, this man was not vilified from within his party as, say, the guy from the heritage foundation was when it was discovered he wrote horrible things in his harvard dissertation. mr. richwine. arpaio speaks for a lot of the base of the gop which says you should treat p

for that, today, he would be a pariah in the republican party. e gop has this phrase, rhinos. republicans in name only. that's what they call dole. that's what they call nixon. but the truth is, they're the real rhinos. they're reaganites in name only. they love to invoke reagan, but this is a guy who made a deal with tip o'neill to save social security, worked with ted kennedy, made peace with the soviets. those would be great offenses today inside the republican party. the only reason we haven't moved faster on the filibuster is because harry reid is worried about trying to hold together a fragile coalition on immigration reform, which even if it passes the senate, will probably go to the house to die. but when we come back in july, we ought to do this. >> look at how many judgeships we have open in this country. look at the national labor relations board. it's almost their strategy to make sure they can take it down. this is kind of working good. so bob dole is a republican of the past. and, you know, it just seems to me that it's going to be r

every republican auto have a meeting about the history of the republican party. is an amazing history. some criticize me -- i went to howard. they may not -- they may know that the republican form the end of lake city. they may have not known -- they may have known that, but not every american knows that. , in louisville, 1930, 19 90 -- 99% of the registered black voters were republicans. 99%. in 1917, a case was taken all the way to the supreme court. it is the most famous case to overturn jim crow. the law is passed by the democrats authority in my sort -- my state. the same democratic party that voted against the 14th amendment, the 15th minute. we have a great, rich history. we need to to bring it into the present. and say look, these school system is abysmal and our country. it is really awful and more awful for those who are stuck in a some areas. in louisville, and the predominately african-american areas, 40% graduation rate from high school. --s is academic agendas that academic genocide. we need a party that says we're going to fix this this. we need to

it's the dilemma of the republican party. here they've been handed these scandals if you want to call them. none of the scandals actually implicates president obama. and they're desperate to do that. they're desperate to get their base fired up. and their base will believe anything they say about president obama. >> to make karen's point -- let's take a look at what boehner, the speaker of the house had to say. he also is making the point that somehow obama was working over there with his green eye shades, working over there in a long row of typewriters, whatever they still have over there, going over the numbers. here he is blaming the president. i bet president obama doesn't know where the irs is in washington. certainly not in cincinnati. let's listen. >> drip, drip, drip. every day there's something new. we don't know how deep this extends within the administration, and that's why our committees are going to continue to investigate this. but what is most troubling in this white house is that the lights are on, but there d

senate i think that's a positive future for minority outreach for the republican party is being done by the grassroots activists chris why why would the party folks believe that having billionaires run our commons is better than having we the people who are common throw that shadow now because that's not at all what the tea party believes and i have been to many tea party rallies and i am involved in adelaide and that is not actually they are in c. does have a problem with outreach to minorities but look let's look at the facts on the ground obama spent in office for five years now black on. claimant is higher than ever minority unemployment is more than ever he has done absolutely nothing forty fifty years of liberal policies have not helped people i want the minorities to come and listen to us because we have the solution to get ahead taxes no absolutely not the way to him or how worrying individuals own small business is cutting regulations because a lot of minorities are small business owners and they want the government off their back and that is what the tea party and the conser

i'm not sure in the national republican party he has. >> it's interesting how the tone changes betweenonal republicans and republicans that have to sort of govern the whole state or govern at a national level, and that really sticks to this point about house republicans having to ger gerrymander in these states than governors who have to govern on a state scale. >> you've got this sort of erosion of the northeastern republican and sort of rockefeller republican. we can debate whether or not christie represents that, but the emotion of that i think definitely plays into the region. >> where that rubber sort of hits the road with that is with the medicaid expansion and the health care exchanges. you have governors who are in charge of their states and those states would benefit from implementing these changes in the medicaid expansion. and they just refuse to. it will be interesting to see if they stay in power as executives in these states. >> we've talked about that a lot, how sort of the red state/blue state divide every election night is really now rearing its head when it comes to p

we have began to see emerge on things like gun-control. >> mike and i both agree that on the republican party, our party, we do have the problem. the democrats do, too. we used to call them old evils, the conservative democrats are all gone. max baucus found that out very quickly and others did as well. the same thing has happened in both parties there is focus on republicans, but the democrats have lost their conservative and to become members of congress, too. i was in congress in those days. now we can look back and talk about bipartisanship at the water's edge. it wasn't that way. it wasn't that way in vietnam or the issues in central america hitting if you know, in nicaragua, el salvador. it was those kind of foreign policy issues. there was a speech given by a senator saying that by partisanship ends the water's edge but it was never really true so we have always had those divisions. what's different now is that we always had some people in the house and senate that would reach out and bring people together so they could say how can we move the country forward? you and i have strong dis

this does divide the republican party. i was listening to rush limbaugh. >> i love that. >> we're democrats. we listen to everybody. he said, look -- this is what you hear from a political standpoint. you're going to bring all these people in. you're going to make them legal. you're going to help them do that. and they're not going to vote for you. and you have 4 million people that sit back every election because we're doing this. so, the limbaugh -- this is a lot of republicans' calculation, you're not going to get credit for this. the democrats are going to is get the credit. you're kboing to help a lot more democratic vote. i don't think i agree with that. but that's where the politics hit the ground. and there's a lot of opposition in the republican party. >> conservatives support immigration. and lawful immigration, if it's merit-based, is going to build our country. immigrants built our country. one of the primary reasons we oppose this bill, it's going to take away the opportunities that america gives the folks who

party to make. i really don't care about either one. you know, i spent my life as a republican. i am very -- the story was told before about how we run our primaries, how we allow the ideologues to -- in both parties -- to control the outcome has really driven me in a different direction. and while the story i told about the examples of the 46 states that allow a tiny, unrepresentative minorities to decide you can be on the ballot, you know, i am actually optimistic. why am i optimistic? 40 percent of americans today registered as independents. "usa today" had a big article, the american people are fleeing from the political parties. in 2006 the people in washington state where they have initiative petition in the constitution, the people of washington state, having followed all of this, having followed the republicans verses the democrats on everything, all their magic, there is unity. all the republicans agree on one thing. they are against whatever the democrats are for. all the democrats of the. they are against with the republicans are for. enough of that nonsense. it went t

this republican party, which is embodied by michele bachmann, as you said, she wasn't a joke. she was the head of the republican polls. she won the iowa straw vote. she was not an insignificant figure in the party. and it was just full of negat e negativism and president obama could do no right in their eyes, even when he led and authorized the raid that killed bin laden, there was praise for the s.e.a.l. team, there was praise for this, praise for that, there wasn't praise for the president who authorized a mission that, had it failed, it would have been a major disaster. so karen is exactly right. they represent nothing but destruction, negativism, no hope, no ideaism. that's why it's turning, slowly. but it's turning. >> when you look at her as a lawmaker, very, very thin record. in 2004 she sponsored 58 bills, got one bill voted on, just one. three resolutions agreed to. she's got zero bills passed into law. now, if i'm in her district, that would concern me but if you're the leader of a movement, shouldn't you have tangible results? this is what this movement represented?

the question, i guess, i have about how this moves forward in the republican party is where the self policing mechanism is. it's easy to be on msnbc and be a liberal and be horrified by this information and to be shocked by it and talk about this as the basis, the basic intellectual argument that heritage is making here. can republicans make arguments against racism in republican contexts? >> i don't think they can. i mean, a few talk a good game, but presupposes that there is a republican establishment that somehow is going to be that policing mechanism, that they are going to be people that stand up, but they are really afraid of the base, and i think right now we're seeing chaos really within the republican party, different groups and heritage is just one of them, vying for power and everyone is sort of standing off of everyone else and the center doesn't hold. there's no governing brain, indeed, the iq problem may be at the very core or cortex of the republican party, because it just isn't there. >> one of the things you've been writing about, frank, is the calculation may be the

pat brady, chair of the republican party in illinois said that back in january. pretty much right away, illinois republicans started trying to figure out how to force him out of his job. chairman pat brady defended himself, said he was stating his personal opinion. initially refused to step down. today he said he realized he had to go, saying he had, quote, obviously lost the support of the state central committee because of my position on gay marriage. remember when republicans were supposedly going to evolve and stop doing stuff like this? hold that thought. we'll be right back. >>> if you ever invested money in the myriad rainbow flag photography available at i stock photo, this last week has been payoff time for you. seriously, your investment in this crime against aesthetic judgment was rewarded by news agencies' need for pictorial accompaniment to a slew of stories. the great and tiny state of delaware recognizing the right to get married for same sex couples. they passed that bill on party lines largely and the governor signed it. starting july 1st, gay co

this isn't about the republican party. this is about the action of the obama administration and the characters in this white house in this administration who have done these things. any attempt to blame it on the republicans is a false narrative. the question should be, martin, why are the obama officials doing these things? why did they do these things? we deserve to have an answer. >> ron christie, i wish we had more time. as you and i both know and joy know, the obama administration has not been involved in any direct terms. and we await the investigation and the outcomes. >> oh, sure. >> thank you for joining us, ron. >>> next, with so much so-called scandal, what is a congress to do? you guessed it. time to vote yet again to repeal the affordable care act. we're losing count here. >> i also think it's important for the president to be honest about the culture of intimidation that his administration has created here. there's no honest policy disagreement with this administration, and as a result, it's created this cult

i think he remains convinced that the logic for the republican party, for the future of the republicanwin the white house depends on whether or not immigration reform gets through. and i think he's going to continue pushing that idea. >> is that why, howard, he's going so far out on a limb in these budgets? to be in a republican party that has complained for four years about harry reid not passing a budget in the senate rightly, i think it's shameful what the democrats did in the last four years. they pass a budget and now marco rubio, mike lee and ted cruz. and again, the last two there are not going to be punished. they'll be rewarded at home politically for that. but marco rubio being one of three senators saying we are stopping this budget from going to conference so we can start negotiating over the paul ryan budget. that is pretty radical politics. >> well, i think marco rubio is walking a very thin line here. because on the other hand, by being so far out in front on immigration, he's taking on the tea party on that issue. but i think he's got to get -- >> is he overcompensating

view the issue and when asked if they are concerned about global warming, republicans saw the biggest two-year jump of any partyome republicans like alaska senator encourage their colleagues to seek climate change solutions, other leaders have gone out of their way to criticize the president and his environmental agenda. >> when we point out that no matter how many job killing laws we pass, our government can't control the weather. he accuses us of wanting dirty water and dirty air. >> joining me now two reporters who have been intensely examining the gop's policy soul search. their articles share the cover of the new issue of "national journal" this week. and nancy cooke is the economic and fiscal policy correspondent. welcome to you both. >> thanks. >> it seems as if this is basically about the same thing. which is how do the republican party look like they're in touch with the average american? you focus, nancy, on the middle class stuff. >> yeah. so, really, there's this debate right now. a bunch of intellectual policy and strategists that are really focused on the republicans winning the white house in 201

republican lawmakers. let's listen to what the old guy has to say to the younger guys and women. >> what do you think of your party, of the republicans today? >> i think they ought to put a sign on the national committee doors that says "closed for repairs until new year's day next year." and spend that time going over ideas and positive agendas. >> you describe the gop of your generation as eisenhower republicans. moderate republicans. could people like bob dole, even ronald reagan, could you make it in today's republican party? >> i doubt it. i doubt -- reagan couldn't have made it. certainly nixon couldn't have made it because he had ideas. >> it's amazing. i remember him when he was in great shape. he'll be 90 this july. when i worked for tip, the last night tip left office, this is how times have changed. he and bob michael, the republican leader from the house, they came over there and just sat there. sitting shiva together. they were just sitting together drinking coffee for two or three hours, just spending the time together in this kind of reverence for joint politics. when you fight with each other but a

and michele bachmann was sort of the perfect kind of crystallization of the problem with the republican party and the tea party. you had this tea party that said we're not really republicans, we're just out there to fight for a better american, and michele bachmann says i will make a caucus, will bring you into congress and i will be your leader. most republicans said, no, we don't want to join the caucus. they sort of didn't want to be near her, but as far as her leaving congress, when you're being investigated for corruption, typically the way to end it is to leave. typically then the investigation northerlially ends, because people who were pursuing corruption investigations, what they want is you out of power. >> or first they want to find out what happened and theoretically you're out. >> this is a good stay out of trouble free step. >> richard, let's not underestimate the fight she had ahead of her. mitt romney won bachmann's district by 15%. she was facing an uphill battle, which is why she was taking out campaign ads almost immediately after she won reelection. >> and focus on not a p

this chinny chin chin and this is really proud to say i'm just really proud to say that the republican party is being repopulated by these new fresh faces and we're seeing guys like ted cruz who is a minority american being considered for the republican ticket in two thousand and sixteen other words i think he's going to get a library because his last name sounds his no i think he stands on principle and he's shown that in the senate he's in there for a couple of mine or anyone else's money or he doesn't weigh very secure american americans cuban american ok that's i think that's great i think that's a positive step forward and i think that shows the kind of power of the grassroots republican party that's kind of emerges that we're repopulating the party with these new principled faces there it's great i'm really happy i got i love i love that ted cruz he said he knows the constitution he stands on it he stands on it against you know the readership that you're constantly bombarding them let alone you know the dems on the other side of the aisle i'm just looking forward to seeing ted cruz and

the republican party in a lot of ways wants to keep it the way it is. up until the recent nominee, it had four republican nominated judges and elite three democrats and they liked the ratio and averages they were playing at the time, they sort of liked court the way it is. they're claiming because the work load isn't big enough to have the other three people filled in. i think it is in part also about the second issue, which is always in the back of the republican consciousness, can we get this court to rule our way on regulation, which is the other thing they hate almost as much as they hate the obama administration. >> the other thing if the democrats are serious about this, they have to get off the nuclear option thing. this is the democracy option, the up or downer vote option. >> you would like a new phrase. it doesn't sound quite so scary, anti-democratic as the nuclear option. >> i think nuclear was not designed by people necessarily trying to get over the line. reminded of bob edgar, common cause president congressman, died earlier this year, had

we have began to see emerge on things like gun-control. >> mike and i both agree that on the republican party our party, we do have the problem. the democrats do, too. we used to call them old evils, the conservative democrats are all gone. max baucus found that out very quickly and others did as well. the same thing has happened in both parties there is focus on republicans, but the democrats have lost their conservative and to become members of congress, too. i was in congress in those days. now we can look back and talk about bipartisanship at the water's edge. it wasn't that way. it wasn't that way in vietnam or the issues in central america hitting if you know, in nicaragua, el salvador. it was those kind of foreign policy issues. there was a speech given by a senator saying that by partisanship ends the water's edge but it was never really true so we have always had those divisions. what's different now is that we always had some people in the house and senate that would reach out and bring people together so they could say how can we move the country forward? you and i have strong disa

party. there's nobody on the republican side like this. >> this is the way they're going, the republican partythe rand paul crowd, mike lee crowd. rather than a moderate wing of the party like christie and rubio. if they're going to the hard right, they're going to extend the democratic rule of control of the white house for 16 years the way they're going. thank you, chris cillizza. no matter what runs. >>> up next, the one and only carol king. she was at the white house this week where president obama presented her with the gershwin award. we'll find out what they were chatting about. this is "hardball." the place for politics. ♪ it's too late, baby come here, boy. ♪ there you go. come on, let's play! [ male announcer ] there's an easier way to protect your dog from dangerous parasites. good boy. fetch! trifexis is the monthly, beef-flavored tablet that prevents heartworm disease, kills fleas and prevents infestations, and treats hook-, round-, and whipworm infections. treatment with fewer than 3 monthly doses after exposure to mosquitoes may not provide complete heartworm prevention. the mos