and the loss of the senate majority by the republican party. it is going to result, almost surely, insubstantial policy wins for democrats and policy defeats for most republicans. you still have a majority of house republicans that voted to contest the electoral college results in arizona and pennsylvania, interestingly, not in georgia. and there are bad feelings about actions against liz cheney, the number three house republican leadership. she voted for impeaching president trump. i think there is still going to be some ruckus but i think there will be. my prediction is there will be a diminishing desire to fight that fight over and over again. and i, i look back to history on this, and perhaps misleadingly. the republican party has had bigger ruptures before and that was in 1912, when the incumbent president william howard taft was chosen by the man who would handpicked in, the former president theodore roosevelt. roosevelt was denied the republican nomination, formed a progressive party around himself. he was the most popular guy in the coun

trump touted the republican party as the party of law & order. after last week, what happened to the mantle of law and order? guest: americans want law and order whether there democrats, independent or republican. what we need to do within the republican party as we need to show we are as committed to law as to order. that is the great problem with president trump. when he uses those words, the emphasis is on "order." when we use those words, and democrats that say they too are the mantle of law and order, you have to be equally supportive of law and order. there is a lot of emphasis placed on the republican party. in a democracy, people form parties according to their -- gs andsaw with the whi federalists, when one party can't represent those people they will find another vehicle. fallshe republican party apart, there are millions of centrist voters who can be called upon to support a new political organization that will be short of the toxic activities of this present and would be able to talk about law and order simultaneously. what is importan

the republican party is 166-years-old. the democratic party is 188-years-old. they are the oldest of the third oldest political parties of the world with the british conservative party probably being number two, depending on when youou date its founding. and i think as i argued in my recent book how america's political parties change in how they don't, they have a fundamental character. each of them different, which has enabled them both to endure for a long time and to suffer through seemingly terminal crises and repudiation's by the voters and to come back. the republican party since its beginnings and opposition to the act of 1854 has always been a party centered around the core constituency of people thought by them selves and others to not be typical. when it started off it was new england yankees and the descendents, the yankee diaspora that ran through new york and michigan and chicago and iowa. that was the foundation of the republican party. today, you might say it's white married christian people are a sort of core constituency of the republican party

oh i believe the republican party should take the step of purging every member of the republican party who endorsed this right and also these election fraud theories are just sheer nonsense we need to get back to a world in which objective truth is understood and recognized in politics we can agree and disagree on a number of things but when you have objective truth it's so obvious that joe biden won this election by an overwhelming number of votes both the electoral college and the popular vote for people to be perpetuating lies and then saying that they're speaking for the republican party is an embarrassment to the republican party and so the party was to survive they're going to have to get rid of all these people not just donald trump. and also people tell lies what you just heard there about democrats indorsing violence which just didn't happen. mr paine i want to ask you about the standing of the united states especially for its european allies after all that has happened during the trunk presidency i want you to take a listen to what germany's foreign minister said about the im

and i don't see any other people out there who who want to reclaim the republican party the way it used to be a party of of principle a party committed to rule of law a party committed to uniting the country so you know at this point i'm going to. go all in for joe biden and hope that he can succeed i really do i think it's that important for the country i mean sure and we've discussed this former republican national the officials i'm sure we're not going to agree on every national security policy but you know we we want him to succeed we really do we need to see him to reengage with the rest of the world unite us with our allies we burnish our our very tarnished image around the world including our commitment to human rights so i think frankly rather than. can criticize biden and his people and of course we'll have to see what decisions they make but i think the you know the things that joe biden has been saying for the last couple of months and see was elected really have been pitch perfect i mean more so candidly then than barack obama and maybe that's because. biden has been

it's a disease flowing through the republican party. tand up as long as liz cheney and mitt romney, adam kinzinger are being brave, me sitting in my living room feels like i owe them time to see that they can re-establish this republican party and back them up in any way that i can. i'm not sure, and i never thought i would say this, i'm not sure the republican party as we know it will be around in a few years. >> sophia, i mean, you're a never-trumper. you left the party. i saw there was stories out there earlier last week about how president trump was thinking about starting his own party, the patriot party. to my mind, i was thinking, you know, go right ahead. take the fringe and the crazies with you and leave the republicans, who actually believe in republican values and conservative values, who actually want to help govern this country, leave the gop to them. should that happen, should folks enshurnlg and push donald trump to start another party? >> a couple things. one, we know he has taken over the republican party. i agree with e

the republican party should do some. don't know whether that is actually going to happen, but i think that republicans need to ask themselves the question about how they ended up in this situation where, again, you've got a leader of the party, the leader of the country spreading unhinged conspiracy theories that lead to violence. host: let me ask you about practical effects for republicans govern on a national level a closer minority for the republicans in the house, they gained seats in the house versus the democrats. as we know now, they will be up 50-50 u.s. senate with kamala harris breaking the tae bo in the senate. guest: right. one of the reasons republicans were pretty confident right after the election was they remembered that their party did quite well during the clinton administration and during the obama administration, that there was a pretty rapid bounce back in the 1994 and 2010 elections, the first midterm elections. that could happen again. the problem from my point of view, one lesson republicans drew

this is done drugs republican party it was in this is the republican party that were part of america farce it will we will never give up we will never concede it doesn't happen you don't see the it was the right let's have a trial by combat it was a trial by combat i mean the words the events of last week and the president's role they are clear but now listen to what a member of the house republican lauren they've heard said yesterday before the impeachment vote were the accountability for the left after encouraging and normalizing violence rather than actually helping american people in this time we start impeachment that further divide our country icon bull crap when i hear the democrats demanding unity sadly they are only unified and hate mr painter she represents the trump republicans in congress it's unclear that enough republicans in the u.s. senate will vote to convict the president would a non conviction in your opinion be tantamount to a republican indorsement of that insurrection. yes it would and it would be an endorsement of the lies that you just heard spoken of once aga

trump repeatedly playing the race card yes but again he drew more african-american men to the republican party and that election has batiks and so some of the more moderate figures in the party my old boss marco rubio governor nikki haley i think their hope was then to take what donald trump did to bring more working class voters and you have soften the edges i think that becomes again much more difficult given what we've seen over the last week but that was their hope and watch to see whether donald trump is able to be an organized political force in republican politics once he leaves office surprise super quick question because i do want to take a look over all this means for biden and harris but let's say that trump going forward did split away from the republican party and found his own independent movement and that somehow he got enough money to us and create the media empire that our report mentioned would such a movement be able to win again a majority popular election in the united states historically at all it doesn't seem to be the case i mean look at ross perot he didn't go very far

this is done drugs republican party it were in this is the republican party that were part of america farce it will we will never give up we will never concede it doesn't happen you don't see the it was it let's have a trial by combat it was a trial by combat i mean the words the events of last week and the president's role they are clear but now listen to what a member of the house republican lauren neighbors said yesterday before the impeachment vote were the accountability for the left after encouraging and normalizing violence rather than actually helping american people in this time we start impeachment that further divide our country i call bull crap when i hear the democrats demanding unity sadly they are only unified and hate mr painter she represents the trump republicans in congress it's unclear that enough republicans in the u.s. senate will vote to convict the president would a non conviction in your opinion be tantamount to a republican indorsement of that insurrection. yes it would and it would be an endorsement of the lies that you just heard spoken of once again no ele

so i believe that we ought to win within the republican party. of our legislative leaders and then liberating ourselves from the corporate pac money that has dominated the decision making in both parties for too long. and, by the way, we don't have to reinvent the wheel. president trump showed us how to do it. if we continue to follow that path, my suspicion is we'll be back on a winning streak before we know it, but we're going to have to fight to define the republican party in the image of president trump going forward. it won't just happen automatically. lou: and in the heart and the passion of the president to insist on america first in all things, in all policies. and we, we've seen it happen. we just have to looked at those 17 executive actions in his first 24 hours. congressman matt gaits, you get the last word here. >> well, president biden, in one sentence, would say that he wants unity and then in another attacks an agenda and a list of policies that actually helped our country. so the rhetoric is not matching up with the action from pr

paris, how are you going to change the republican party so they are like the democrats? that's her concern. then there was a republican, it's suppose it republican that said trump had no policy. no, he had policy, you just didn't like the policy. then someone else jumped in, it was supposed to be a republican, truly was not. then the moderator jumps in and was rude enough to ask the rnc if they think trump incited the riot. ok? this is like a tough debate here. you get six people jumping on this great rnc representative, and you want to know if trump incited the riots? you are part of the cancel culture, my dear lady. yes, you. yes, you. that's right. quit making faces. quit making faces and just do your job or get another job, because you are not any good at what you're doing right now. host: ok. mr. dennard, do you have any thoughts? guest: i think the american people want to have objective media. i think they want to have objective journalists. want to have honest journalists. they want people with the same passion, vigor, almost obsession for president trump. do that

at least 107 republicans, or just over a majority, have already communicated to leaders in the party they would support removing liz cheney from her leadership post, that happening on a secret ballot. and this from mollie hemingway, terrific writer in the federalist, they -- republicans -- should focus on fining a chair with better results, someone whose negatives don't outweigh her positives. there is no reason to leave cheney in that position. in fact, it's negligent for republicans to keep they anyone in that position, that from mollie hemingway of the federalist. stefanik and scalise, a pair of the high profile names that might be in line for that chair if it becomes available, something we will keep an eye on, lou. lou: we're always considering every possibility, aren't we, in washington, d.c. in these political, highly-charged moments. kevin corke, thank you very much. >> reporter: you bet. lou: we'll be talking with congressman matt gaits -- thank you -- later in the broadcast as well as former reagan white house political director, the savant himself, ed rollins, on the futur

, 75 million strong, changed the republican party. me over. it enlarged the base. you know why, lou? because donald trump put americans first. these republicans who are in the senate need to step up and identify themselves as to where they stand. if not, i go with president trump. if he starts a new party, i and 75 million plus go with president president trump. lou: two or three facts, if i may, leo, and get your judgment on them. one with, kevin mccarthy said that the president bore respondent for the mob that assaulted the -- responsibility for the mob that assaulted the capitol. two, mitch mcconnell said that he bore responsibility and that he would make it a vote of conscience in an impeachment on the president and his future. and, thirdly, ronna mcdaniel, the chair of the republican national committee, as rnc chair lost, lost the senate control, she also lost the presidency. and she has been reelected to head the rnc. in point of fact, all three bear tremendous responsibility for what we saw ensue from november 3rd on and the res

congressman matt gaetz is a change agent for the republican party, and he spoke just moments ago at theming state capitol in cheyenne where he is campaigning against house republican conference chair liz cheney and the rest of the party establishment. finish we turn now to fox news correspondent kevin corke with more on the gaetz speech and his activism in wyoming. kevin. >> reporter: evening, lou. the former congressman is, frankly, two parts a tip of the hat to the great cowboy state, it's also one part shot across the bow against a congresswoman who, as you know, voted to impeach president trump, who's lost the confidence of many in her party and is now facing calls to have her ousted from her position as chair of the gop conference. matt gaetz testing a bit of trump-style populism over in cheyenne today the, a state that voted overwhelmingly for the former president and whose state party legislators voted to censure liz cheney, daughter of the former vice president who's also been criticized for a number of questionable decisions while in leadership including a lack of fundraising e

trump repeatedly playing the race card yes but again he drew more african-american men to the republican party and that election has batiks and so some of the more moderate figures in the party my old boss marco rubio governor nikki haley i think their hope was then to take what donald trump did to bring more working class voters and and of soften the edges i think that becomes again much more difficult given what we've seen over the last week but that was their hope. to see whether donald trump is able to be an organized political force in republican politics once he leaves office sariah super quick question because i do want to take a look over all this means for biden and harris but let's say that trump going forward did split away from the republican party and found his own independent movement and that somehow he got enough money to also create the media empire that our report mentioned would such a movement be able to win again a majority popular election in the united states historically at all it doesn't seem to be the case i mean look at ross perot he didn't go very far with it either

aaron, i'll start where you because this extremism that we've seen coming out of the republican party particularly through marjorie taylor greene, it has lingered past a donald trump presidency, right, and we saw that full well on january 6. but you have written specifically about how you state republicans, the state gop, could actually be more of a hindrance to getting rid of this kind of right wing extremism. and i want to read a yoet from your article in which you write there is a real question about just how much the party will line up with trump's more extreme vision for the future of the party. if recent events are any indication, state republican parties could prove a major impediment to pulling things towards the middle. >> yeah, i think if you look at like what mitch mcconnell has been doing for the last several weeks, it is clear that there is a desire even rnc chairwoman ronna mcdaniel, there is a desire to move the ball forward at least a little beyond the trumpism that we've seen in the republican party for the last several years. but the one thing that keeps pulling them

also coming up moderate conservatives in america they used to call the republican party home that was pre donald trump is the party now entering post donald trump it doesn't sound like. those factors those feelings that are out there among tens of thousands of americans didn't leave when he left on wednesday they're still there that's why he got elected and that's what i hope will be a party. to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and to all of our viewers all around the world welcome we begin the day with the u.s. senate preparing to become a courtroom on trial donald trump yet again almost 2 weeks ago donald trump became the only u.s. president to be impeached twice the house of representatives accusing him of inciting an insurrection the storming of the u.s. capitol on monday the u.s. house of representatives delivered one article of impeachment to the u.s. senate today senators were sworn in as jurors they'll deliver a verdict at the end of donald trump's 2nd impeachment trial but that trial is not starting tomorrow or this week or next week congress has pandemic problems t

you are starting to pick that up in the republican party, what it wants to stand for. you are increasingly hearing it wants to stand for working folks. host: what is the strategy for working republicans in the 117 congress, a house that is a lot tighter margin than expected, and now a 50/50 senate so the democrats with the vote breaking vote with the vice president. guest: the first job is always to see if you can find common ground. when you are in the minority, you don't control the floor schedule. nancy pelosi decides which bills come up. i think there are enough people of goodwill he would like to find areas where they can work together and accomplish something. i am not particularly optimistic that there will be a lot of bipartisan cooperation, frankly because i think they will probably bring up legislation that is intended to cater to her progressive base much more than finding common ground. finding common ground has never been her strong suit. she knows how to negotiate legislation when you have to, but her focus is going to be certainly a large coronavirus pack

and what you're telling us is the republican party, the washington republican party, put out campaignse like you using qanon messaging specifically in the ads in order to turn out their vote? and oh, if that happened to lead to death threats for you, that's just part of doing business as a republican now? >> well, i actually confronted congressman head of the nrcc on the house floor after this happened and he said it's not business what people do with our ads. so, they washed their hands of it. and but again, it's now coming after them because as you pointed out, that mob, they were as angry if not more at the people they consider to be republican traitors who voted to certify this election as they are at me or any other democrat. >> congressman jimmy gomez has introduced a resolution to expel marjorie taylor greene from the house of representatives. kevin mccarthy has said he will have a private conversation with her. what should be happening in this situation? >> we're going to have two at least censure resolutions next week. i'm leading one against congressman mo brooks of alabama

also coming up moderate conservatives in america they used to call the republican party home that was pre donald trump is the party now entering post donald trump it doesn't sound like. and those factors those feelings that are out there among tens of thousands of americans didn't leave when he left on wednesday they're still there that's why he got elected and that's what i hope will be a party. to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and to all of our viewers all around the world welcome we begin the day with the u.s. senate preparing to become a courtroom on trial donald trump yet again almost 2 weeks ago donald trump became the only u.s. president to be impeached twice the house of representatives accusing him of inciting an insurrection the storming of the u.s. capitol on monday the u.s. house of representatives delivered one article of impeachment to the u.s. senate today senators were sworn in as jurors they'll deliver a verdict at the end of donald trump's 2nd impeachment trial but that trial is not starting tomorrow or this week or next week congress has pandemic proble

oh i believe the republican party should take the step of purging every member of the republican party who endorsed this right and also these election fraud theories are just sheer nonsense we need to get back to a world in which objective truth is understood and recognized in politics we can agree and disagree on a number of things but when you have objective truth it's so obvious that joe biden won this election by an overwhelming number of votes both the electoral college and the popular vote for people to be perpetuating lies and then saying that they're speaking for the republican party is an embarrassment to the republican party and so the party was to survive that i have to get rid of all these people not just donald trump. and also people tell lies what you just heard there about democrats indorsing violence which just didn't happen. mr paine i want to ask you about the standing of the united states especially for its european allies after all that has happened during the trump presidency i want you to take a listen to what germany's foreign minister said about the impeachment

however, the republican party remains deeply split between the moderate wing, which has decency and democratic the mega far right supporters and conspiracy theorists who are following trump are in the millions. the republicans are in the millions. the republicans are captured by this trump base. almost half of the republican party supported the violent insurrection against the capital, which is astonishing. for biden to get his agenda passed, many things, even though they have this slim majority, they will need... unless it can get rid of the senate filibuster which requires 60 votes, he will need republicans on his side. how will the republicans respond given the splits within the party and given all of the events this week? hopefully, there will be some bipartisan consensus on figuring out what went wrong here. but trump remains... control over the republican party, just evidenced by the republican meeting this week with many of the members endorsing him. the republican party leader was re—elected and she is a close ally of trump. wellington their backs on trump? they've got every reason to

the republican party chair says that's not the case. tion, 8 of 9 republicans in pennsylvania's state congressional delegation voted to throw out biden's electoral votes. now in arizona, republican state representative introduced a bill to give legislators the ability to revoke secretary of state certification of voting results anytime before inauguration. this after the republican party censured cindy mccain, doug fluke, and doug ducey. with the gop showing no signs of changing and in many states hemorrhaging voters in a result, we'll get to that in a bit, how do democrats seize the moment. i will ask the new chair of the arizona democratic party after this quick break. e arizona democratic party after thisui qck break introducing fidelity income planning. we look at what you've saved, what you'll need, and help you build a flexible plan for cash flow that lasts, even when you're not working, so you can go from saving... to living. ♪ let's go ♪ (burke) at farmers, we know a thing or two because so you can go from saving... to living. we

almost 9,300 arizona republicans have left the party. 9,891 republicans have left the party in pennsylvania. 7,421 republicans have left the party in north carolina. in orange county flarks fla, more than 1,200 republicans have changed their party affiliation. we're still in the early days of biden administration, but if those statistics are any indication, the party of plans is going to become the party of getting stuff done real soon. leading off our discussion tonight is a member of congress who knows about getting stuff done, democratic congresswoman val demings of florida, member of the intelligence and judiciary committees and chair of the homeland security committee on emergency repardness, response. you know a thing or two about one of the things that's about to happen in the united states senate, and that is your callings are going to be impeachment managers. you were an impeachment manager in the first historic impeachment of donald trump. now we're getting ready for the second one. rit large this is remarkable that there are republicans in the senate who were targeted, as you wer

cap'n there is too i believe there's 2 reasons one is that the republican party was ineffectual in coming up with a counter to. clinton who the democratic party was. in the process of anointing the next president of the united states and there was a lot of anger and resentment in a good segment of the american population that just found that to be and an exceptional outcome and they were looking for you know are an alternative that could defeat hillary clinton at the polls and then the most important one is that american politics has been playing a game of. divide and conquer using the various demographics. i'm not saying that's wrong i mean everybody needs to be represented everybody needs a voice i'm not against you know people saying hey we're under represented but in the process basically wrote off 45 plus percent of the american population had been languishing in a slow economic rut i had news that the democrats are in trouble and don't trump was probably going to win the election just talking to firefighters in that in that summer people who are normally say you know moderate democr

i'm sorry, that's just not the republican party that i grew up in. but instead, ours became the party of grievances, right? >> narrator: in the wreckage of charlottesville, trump emerged even stronger. >> charlottesville was shocking at the time, but actually the template for much that followed. he understood that there were no practical limits or constraints except for norms that he was willing to violate; except for public opprobrium, which he didn't care about. >> it looks like president trump is going to get his christmas wish. >> the most sweeping rewrite of our tax code... >> narrator: it culminated in front of the cameras at the white house... >> republicans cheered as they passed the most sweeping tax overhaul in three decades. >> narrator: ...at a ceremon for the passage of his first major piece of legislation-- a tax cut. >> a major victory for president donald trump. >> i guess it's very simple. when you think you haven't heard this expression, but we are making america great again. you haven't heard that, have you? >> (cheering) >> narrato

trump repeatedly playing the race card yes but again he drew more african-american men to the republican party in that election hispanics and so some of the more moderate figures in the party my old boss marco rubio governor nikki haley i think their hope was then to take what donald trump did to bring more working class voters and have soften the edges i think that becomes again much more difficult given what we've seen over the last week but that was their hope and watch to see whether donald trump is able to be an organized political force in republican politics once he leaves office surprise super quick question because i do want to take a look at what all this means for biden and paris but let's say that trump going forward did split away from the republican party and found his own independent movement and that somehow he got enough money to also create the media empire that our report mentioned would such a movement be able to win again a majority popular election in the united states historically at all it doesn't seem to be the case i mean look at ross perot he didn't go very far with

the republican party supports the constitution in its entirety. and my values and my principles and the things that i believe in are no longer in the democratic party. the democratic party used to not be that way when i started, but now they are against freedom of speech. you're hearing about censorship. they support censorship. they support socialism. i cannot embrace and support that. i identify more with the principles and the values of the republican party. not that the republican party's perfect, not that i wouldn't have some disagreement, but there are not a single-thought party. in the democrat party if you're

oh i believe the republican party should take the step of purging every member of the republican party who endorsed this right and also these election fraud theories are just sheer nonsense we need to get back to a world in which objective truth is understood and recognized in politics we can agree and disagree on a number of things but when you have objective truth it's so obvious that joe biden won this election by an overwhelming number of votes both the electoral college and the popular vote for people to be perpetuating lives and then saying that they're speaking for the republican party is an embarrassment to the republican party and so the party was to survive they're going to have to get rid of all these people not just donald trump. and also people tell lies what you just heard there about democrats indorsing violence which just didn't happen. mr payne i want to ask you about the standing of the united states especially for its european allies after all that has happened during the trump presidency i want you to take a listen to what germany's foreign minister said about the i