so what's clear about the republican party now is it's not about, like, is this a party where donald trump is the leader. it is that they also are at the whims of him, right? he doesn't have the same microphone that he did because he's off of social media sites and not getting as many interviews. he doesn't have the bully pulpit of the white house. and so a lot of what is happening and what's interesting is they're guess mating what they think he would do. you're seeing state and local officials doing the same thing. we talked about the nationalization of local politics, but this is where it's really happening. it's really happening on the republican side right now all over -- all over the country in these republican states. and in the democratic states where republicans have power because they think that donald trump is going to bring them back to -- you know, that he's going to run in 2024. a couple of my colleagues have gone to some of the rallies that he's had and they said what they have been shocked about is these suburban white moms who say that donald trump in august is going

the state republican party chairman endosing the challenger to the sitting incumbent republican u.s. senator. if you have an incumbent u.s. senator up for re-election usually you would not expect the republican party in that state and its chairman to be crusading against the incumbent senator trying to get him or her thrown out of office. usually that's how it works. for obvious reasons. but six months on from the capitol attack today what we have got now is a republican party that does that. and what we have got now are a lot of single issue republican voters and republican activists for whom, single issue, only thing that's driving them in politics is this fantasy that trump secretly won the 2020 election and the election must be overthrown so he can be reinstated. it's turned the state republican party in oklahoma against their incumbent republican senator as he faces a re-election battle. it's also animating hundreds of republican campaigns for all sorts of state offices. amy gardner reporting today for "washington post," dozens of candidates promoting the baseless notion that th

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bluster about backing the blue and being pro-law enforcement and being the law enforcement party, republicansinsurrection with some voting against honoring the men and women who protected them on that day. others refusing to even shake their hand. cher michael, is the party taking its cues from trump? how do they reconcile this behavior with their pro-police posturing? >> i think actually it is easy, rev, for them to reconcile it. the reality is most of their voters don't trust capitol hill police. they do not believe there was an insurrection january 6th. they do believe that a lot of the messaging that have been reported are not factual messageless. they belief a lot of it is to target donald trump and paint him in the negative. those members of the republican congress are well aware of it of i think they are looking at the political objects and say, well, if i acknowledge these officers that is somehow in some way conceding to the fact that what indeed happened on january 6th was an issue. i think they are looking at that dynamic and saying i need to maintain support with constituents, i t

it's part of the ecosystem of cpac, part of the ecosystem of the republican party. and that's what the fundamental problem today in democracy is. we have two legacy parties but only one that currently supports democracy as it stands, and is willing to dealst from a place facts. and i think that's what we have to all struggle with in the media and in politics, how do we deal with a political party that ispo no longer honest? >> i want to drill down on that, matt. take a listen first to what republican congressman adam kinzinger said today earlier on "meet the press." >> to all of my colleagues in politics, let megu say this to you. you either have to be a zombie for the maga belief system, whatever that is today or tomorrow, it varies every day based on donald trump's whims, or actually stand up and tell your constituents the truth. >> i just wonder, matt, if there is anyone who that message, that perfectly reasonable message, is actually landing with. >> i mean, an accurate message that supports our democracy if it lands with anyone inr the republican party, my guess

it's -- it's most of the republican party. it's most people in this country who call themselves republicans. if -- if -- you talk to republican senators, they will tell you that 60, 70, 80% of people who are republicans support trump and trumpism. this is not the party of nixon. this is not the party of bush republicanism. this is the party of a kind of extremism that we have never seen in this country, since the civil war. so, this is about a great-cultural moment. this is not about mere politics or mere journalism. we are in the midst -- we were in a cold-civil war. we now have a cold-civil war that has been ignited by donald trump. been ignited by his destabilized mind. by his excess. by his delusion. and people have gone along, in his party, with these delusions. and the result is that there is a party, now, that actually is not tethered in reality. that's not -- you know, it's incapable of looking at facts. so -- but the reality is that party is very strong. and donald trump and his brand of what milley has been talking ab

, the national republican party, i mean, that's a big hairy deal the russian government attackingr biden and putin met and had a big confrontation over this kind of thing? a report attack on the republican party hit at about the same time that a russian-based organized crime group calling itself our evil claimed responsibility for a ransomware attack based on a tech firm, demanding $70 million as ransom in that attack. they're also behind the attack that shut down the meat processing company jbs last month, as you might remember. but they've also been attacking all sorts of high-profile targets on u.s. soil for more than a year now, hitting a law firm that worked with all sorts of celebrities and big corporations like apple, schools even green energy companies. there are cyberattacks along with a tax of other organized russian criminal groups led to that fairly bold confrontation just under a month ago between president biden and vladimir putin in that weeding. biden says he told putin because he's criminal tax waiver to naming on russian soil, these russian criminal groups are ef

word for trumpism because i hate it and i think it goes deeper than just donald trump in the republican party. i keep coming back to the same name. it's neofascism. forget trumpism, it's neofascism. that's what the grassroots of the party looks like right now. and in some ways, in a really weird way, people who believe in democracy, you know, normal rips and democrats and independents, they should be almost happy adam west -- allen west is running. why? because he may win. if he wins, he will be a very weak challenger to whoever the democrats put up. we are seeing these really ultra right-wing candidates being put up by republican parties. and not just in texas, but in ohio and other places in these congressional seats. the wackiest wackies are going to win the republican primary but they're going to lose in general elections. and that may not just help democrats but it will help the republican party in a way because it will burn it down. maybe not in 2022 or 2024, but after enough losses, we can see maybe normal returning because those neofascists will be out of the party. >> or, joan, you k

but what does it say about the republican party? s that the party is basically a cult personality and that it is putting what it sees as short term gain, potential short term gain in 22 and 24 ahead of any principles if it remembers where principles are. >> matthew, christine o in north dakota staying on brand sending 50 members of that state guard and ready reserve to the southern border paid for by one wealthy donor. is this what we're doing now? as someone asked from twitter tonight and i'm paris praising, can bezos up into a billion bore the national guard and put together a suppression force on the other side down at the border? since one? the >> well that one of the most scary things that happens. that's when one of those scary things happened that a sitting governor would use a national guard, one for political purposes and then have it paid for by russia's version of an oligarch which is as i said earlier today, sounds so much like russia and it's autocracy mixed with wealthy people using parts of power to do what you want to

the republican party is better when it's a move m i want to see see movement. look, republicans are 24% of the registration in california. 24% is really low. it suggests to me? this party will be successful in the future, it has to have a vision, something broad are. that's what i'm about. we'll see if it works. >> i want to ask you, look, i don't know if this falls under the purview of the controller's office. part of that is looking for fraud and making sure the money is spent the way it's supposed to. as you note edd has been a disaster, the backlog and fraud. is that anything you who have control over. >> yes. >> how would you deal with it? >> one of the things not just only identify it but come up with solution. it's up to the controller to hold others accountable. if we say we will system by april of 2023, this was the most preventible fraud in the history of our state. a lot of what happened this time around happened when we had the great recession 13 years ago. we should not have a problem that occurs over and over again. the controller has to play an ac

these are the political supporters of the most prominent politicians in the republican party. of course this is political. and i'm not arguing this was a good idea, but september 11th was in the foreground of the midterm elections in '02 when bush's party held the -- held congress. i think the security questions of the republican party as a domestic terror threat that were raised by the police officers whose political affiliation is unknown should be front and center in these elections. >> the democrats in each of the last two elections, and i think acutely in the last election, ran in part on the fact that donald trump and the republican party had become a danger to american democracy. and, by the way, that danger to american democracy also got in the way of the united states government performing basic functions like protecting people from covid or delivering on the priorities that people care about in their daily lives. i think when you look at what happened on january 6th, you have the manifestation of the argument that democrats were making how dangerous donald trump is to

what does it say about the republican party? y are -- that the party is basically a cult of permit and that it is putting what it sees as short-term gain, potential short-term gain, 22 and 24, ahead of any principles, if it remembers what principles are. >> matthew, kristi noem, up in north carolina, staying on-brand, sending 15 members of that state's guard and ready reserve, to the southern border, paid for by one wealthy donor. is this what we're doing now? as someone asked on twitter tonight -- and i'm paraphrasing -- can bezos up it to a billion, put together a suppression force on the other side of the border? since when? >> to me, that's one of the most scary things -- so many scary things happen. that's one of the most scary things happen, that a sitting governor would use a national guard, one, for political purposes, and have it paid for by russia's version of an oligarch. i said this earlier, this sounds like russia. autocracy mixed with wealthy people. using the parts of power to do what you want to do in this. but th

i think the project she is embarking on of trying to almost restore the republican party to the post-cheney party, i just think it is aantasy. i think it is a complete fantasy. yamiche: all this is going on while the supreme court this week ruled and upheld this arizona gop voting restriction. tell us about what that means for democrats and for these gop back voting laws. ayesha: what it means is it is another blow against the landmark voting rights act. some would say that athis point, the voting rights act really has no teeth. and it puts great pressure on the white house to try to do something. the white house is in a very difficult position. president biden is inspected to talk about this in the coming days, but he is facing a lot of pressure to get something done, but the problem is there is no -- there is not enough support in congress to get anything done on voting rights at this moment. yamiche: this weekend, millions of americans are expected to travel and gather to celebrate july 4, a lot different from last year. at the white house, president biden is hosting more than 1000 ople

i think that right now the republican party, there are a few republicans that like how president trump for elected officials and for these potential candidates i think they see how popular he remains with the voters and they want the voters to either get into office or to remain in office, and he still exerts so much influence. one of the downsides to dismissing the election results, there is no need in their eyes to reach across the aisle. or to reach out to moderate voters because they see the trump coalition as being sufficient when in reality it was not enough to hold the white house, to keep the senate, or to regain control of the house. that's where the republican party is caught. >> yeah, carlos, where did this lack of understanding math come from on the republican side of the aisle? donald trump performed excite the trifecta. he was the head of the party and in a two-year period he lost the house, the senate, and the white house. american history is littered with ex-presidents asked to not even show up at the convention. instead it is a blind loyalty the other way. >> that's ri

one thing about donald trump, and it's related to this, is donald trump recognized what the republican party had become long before other republicans such as jeb bush, marco rubio, chris christie. this is not a donald trump problem, this is a republican party problem which broadly has no interest in the truth. so we have this -- i've said before, i said the greatest pandemic facing america is not coronavirus 19 or whatever, covid-19, it is the dishonesty. it has affected completely the republican party. the reason why donald trump became the nominee and is most popular is because that's who the republican party is. >> juanita, to that point of dishonesty you heard earlier, general banks speaking to tourists. if they were just nice tourists, what does it matter, but you get the sense that what they're doing is testing the messaging they'll be using in 2022, which is don't look here, look over there. >> distractions and diversions, and that's got to stop, but it's not going to stop. they're going to keep trying to send these mixed signals because they know their base will eat it up and not ask

that beast has taken over the republican party j.d. e to what every republican is thinking right now, that i do have to suck this up there's not enough republicans who have the courage to stand up >> the state party chair in alaska, mark leibovich is against the republican incumbent. the state party today is challenging the challenger donald trump has taken over these state parties. the elected leadership has apparently no way to stop it >> look, they are absolutely playing to that base the question is are they going to lose a republican primary in that's states? probably not. >> are you sure? >> no, i'm not i'm not in oklahoma. but i also think you're right. these are very, very substantial voices in the party. what if you're lisa murkowski right now. you're up in two years you have all this friction coming from the right, from trump himself who is going to probably campaign. i don't know how you do this i think at some point this is not new york and eric adams, this is not suburban virginia where you have people voting for where you t

in the republican party. >> what's happening with the president? game is incredible. he's busting his driver, knocking the pins down. >> it's not even about covid, why can't we force uppity people to think thoreen? i don't like your attitude uni tranquilizers. >> doctor fauci looks like the laces outside of a football that i would like to kick. what did we do to saddam hussein? what did we do -- i mean, these people swung from their next in front of the world for killing far less people. >> we're not attacking the vaccine, never have, we don't judge anyone who takes it. >> this is a happy inclusive movement, we even want to free britney. >> i don't care what you think about fraudulent sleepy joe, he's a sex trafficking demon possessed mongrel. >> did election -- can you answer the question, they don't trump lose the election of 2020? is this an uncomfortable question for you? >> this is the party of donald trump. if you think otherwise, you're in for a rude awakening. [noise] >> sorry for the saliva noise this close to bedtime, the lincoln project

melanie, thank you so much for the new reporting. >>> the great divide in the republican party right endent on loyalty to former president trump. adam kinzinger, who we were just talking often referred as to an anti-trump republican because of his criticism of the big lie. let's discuss this with amanda carpenter and scott jennings. amanda, you first, you don't think that's a fair label, anti-trump republican. tell us why? >> it plays into the narrative that trump likes to put out that people are somehow unfairly out to get him. both adam kinzinger and liz cheney supported donald trump twice for election. 2016 and 2020. but they, like so many other republicans on the ground through the states, were horrified about the consequences of the big lie that trump started post election that culminated in the january 6th insurrection. it wasn't until that attack that they started vocally speaking out against him and saying many of the very same things that kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell were saying in the way that donald trump bore a special responsibility for that attack. most people were

is these fights over who's going to define what the republican party stands for? and i think that what we should expect is, in 2020 to the democrats arm are likely to lose seats, certainly in the house of representatives and quite possibly in the senate. and so i think that there may well be a reckoning, but the extent to which a reckoning comes, it's going to come more from long term and intro party dynamics than i think it's going to come be delivered from voters who, you know, everything we know about republican primary and general election voters right now is that, you know, donald trump is, is their idea of a very strong candidate. i appreciate that. so linda, as you know, i've spent some time with president biden, when he was vice president. i interviewed him a good number of times and i, you know, i think if truth be told, he basically thought that in the, in the last, in the election of donald trump, it hillary clinton, a donald trump, is going to pull it out because he said to me, you know, in an, on the record, the democratic party had become a party of

i mean, let's look at the republican party. the number of moderates and ford always considered himself a moderate has declined. people like susan collins who is still there, very upset with the direction the party has taken, others like olympia snowe have left. i come from south carolina. lindsey graham has been under attack in south carolina from the tea party on the grounds that he is too willing to engage in bipartisanship. so i think that he would be seen as a rino at the very least. >> next question, who do you think influenced gerald ford the most? >> who influenced gerald ford the most? i don't think there would be any single person but i would certainly if i'm talking about people i would definitely put his parents up there. his upbringing. two individuals who are examples of strength and perseverance. his father's belief in not relying on the government for federal assistance, for assistance, pulling yourself by your own boot straps. their belief in their spirituality. all of those things i think influenced ford. >> giv

do you think now republicans are concerned after what we heard today, where are we going to continue to hear the party line? >> excellent question and something we are watching closely. the one thing republicans did not calculate one house in court -- minority leader mccarthy pulled from his select committee was that they would be losing their megaphone and the opportunity to sort of infuse the hearings with their own counter messaging and move the disinformation that they've been process -- propagating, and continue to propagate. i also think it puts republicans in a challenging position to have to attack police officers who just delivered, again, this very compelling testimony. that's why you see people like jim jordan and elise stefanik sort of, you know, relying on the unanswered questions of security lapses. republicans have promised they will start their own parallel investigation alongside democrats, but we have seen very few details from house minority leader kevin mccarthy. he told us today that was still the plan, but didn't provide any details of timing or what the structure of such an inve

the only thing can change it is by altering it could be more fair so the republican party has to reach out beyond its base to a more diverse constituents that will compel them on almost americans' democratic rights. and that's what had to happen with tt contractic party in the mid 20th century and has to happen now if we're going to get out of this. >> and professor, we are stuck with the two senators per state anti-democratic structure of the senate, which then adds to that with the anti-democratic rules of the senate, creating super majorities of a body that already is not representative of the country. >> that's right. >> and i would add gerrymandering which makes this a matter of not just the senate but the house. and state legislatures as well. so we have all these dynamics that are there to be used and also, at the same time, the republican party doubling down on politics that alienate african-americans. alienate lam teen overs. alienate many asians and people of different communities and really going for the smaller and shrinking vote of white christian americans. and the only w

. >> the sad leadership and boundaries of the republican party. >> we have important work to do and i think it's childish. >> it's childish and we're doing big things right now. >> tonight how trump's version of the insurrection became the litmus test for house republicans. and with the january 6th committee will be investigating, when they convene for the first time tomorrow. then >> does this impact fertility? the answer is no and then been the data. >> despite the ongoing misinformation damage, how some of the vast hesitant are starting to come around. by the former covid adviser joins me on that. plus senator chris murphy and the challenges of working with republicans on anything. and with voting rates under threat, we remember the leadership of bob moses. trying to register voters in mississippi. >> anyone is arrested and taken out of the jail. then the chances that they are alive is almost. zero >> went all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. today we saw what should be a normal scene in washington, in the post trump era. with a new administration t

of it. >> of course. >> there was an opportunity for the republican party to push out a message but that would involve standing up and saying no to conservative media and again and again they let those fringe elements take over. >> and saying no to these republican groups. you mentioned liz cheney. she has been one of the only people willing to stand up. she sharply criticized mccarthy this week. the tension is building. the club for growth put out this ad this week about cheney. >> she sided with nancy pelosi and attacked president trump when he was in office. she supported impeachment. and she continues to attack president trump today. hillary clinton? no. liz cheney. >> yes, can you believe your eyes. they are really comparing liz cheney and hillary clinton. >> liberal liz cheney. i did some reporting on this. republicans in the house. kicking her off house armed services or expeling her from the conference entirely. her political future is probably doomed anyway, they feel they don't necessarily to take another whack at her. at the same time you see efforts to chip away at her cr

but perhaps it is surprising that the oklahoma republican party chairman is endorsing that challenger against the sitting republican senator from oklahoma. the chairman of the state party is endorsing the challenger. the challenger is challenging lankford specifically because he didn't vote to overturn the election. and the state party is onboard with that. lankford's gotta go. this weekend it happened again. sitting republican senator lisa murkowski, up for re-election in alaska, facing a primary challenger from a trump supporter who says lisa murkowski shouldn't have voted to impeach trump over the january 6th attack, and murkowski should have voted to overturn the election results in the senate to keep trump in power. again, perhaps it is not surprising lisa murkowski is facing a trumpy primary challenge like this in alaska but this weekend try to retain the ability to be surprised, the state republican party in alaska just endorsed that challenger. against their sitting republican senator. because the state party now endorses her challenge to murkowski, which is on the basis of th

they have to fundamentally give up on the idea that the republican party is what we all thought the republicanr 15 years ago. >> you guys are forcing me to dust off my favorite rick wilson line, democrats always bring us soup ladled to a knife fight. you've agreed to stay with us through this break. coming up, when we come back one of kevin mccarthy's january 6th committee picks already trashing the investigation before it started. which of course is exactly why trump, i mean mccarthy, chose him in the first place. mm. [ clicks tongue ] i don't know. i think they look good, man. mm, smooth. uh, they are a little tight. like, too tight? might just need to break 'em in a little bit. you don't want 'em too loose. for those who were born to ride there's progressive. with 24/7 roadside assistance. -okay. think i'm gonna wear these home. -excellent choice. this is the greatest idea you'll ever hear. okay, it's an app that compares hundreds of travel sites for hotels and cars and vacation rentals like kayak does for flights. so it's kayak. yeah, like kayak. why don't you just call it kayak. i'm calli

have been ringing the alarm bell ever since this insurrection became the mainstream idea of the republican partyoter suppression laws. if they took over the house and senate next year, they would impeach joe biden. they would vote to impeach biden just on principles. how does that play for democrats. does that put the fear into their feet and a lot of fire into them or do they think talking about infrastructure and voting rights is going to be enough to stave off what the republicans are intended to do next fall. >> that's one of the differences with democrats and republicans. democrats they tend to focus on policies and they're wonky and nerdy at times. what we are hearing about republicans are pure power. it is not about the legislative lever that you have. it is not about negotiating and compromising. it is about power. what you can do when you have it. that's the difference between the two parties now. there are democrats who talking about this as well. the house, joe manchin, the other big joe in washington, d.c., he's still is operating it seems under kind of old senate rules where obstruc

party. they don't represent me and a lot of republicans and remember, don, the party is shrinking.re leaving the party in droves pause they don't approve of this. we have to see how this plays out. >> listen, they want power. obviously, you know that's no better, right? . >> yeah. >> it's actually worse. >> there is so much to talk about but i want to move on because we can talk about that all night. >> sure. >> we heard cheers over the country missing the vaccination goal. it really terrifying to think about the implications of that especially with a very contagious delta variant spreading. i just spoke to dr. gupta about that. >> right. >> yeah. go ahead. what do you think? >> oh, i thought we were going to hear from somebody. >> we just heard from dr. gupta in the segment before you. >> don, it's disgraceful. what can i tell you? you got a bunch of extremists gathered in an event with other extremists coming to them and feeding them with a bunch of hogwash. i mean, it like, you know, it's the far right. it's the extreme part of the party, and they invite, you know, they didn't i

what is happening to the republican party? our country, our democracy is currently under siege by one of our two major political parties. one controlled by a twice impeached one-term president who's more jim jones than george washington. a party that, thanks to donald trump's rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, white grievance and an unquenchable thirst for power embraces causes that were once viewed as fringe. things like abortion bounty hunting. now the law in texas. banning books, really any idea that doesn't render every single white american in history going all the way back to 1619 and right up to today as innocent and benevolent. even as a noose literally hung outside the u.s. capitol just six months ago. it's a party that's committed to turning domestic terrorists into martyrs and freedom fighters while launching a crusade against the covid vaccine, now any vaccine, even if that leaves america more vulnerable to sickness and suffering and death and anyone who's encouraging you to stay alive by taking the vaccine, they'

the litmus test for republican-party membership. now, the influence the former president has is narrow but deep. only works among a certain segment of people. but among the people it works with, it's strong. so we are still watching that happen. that's what kevin mccarthy is doing. another way of saying they are not really republicans. and the reason he is saying that is because they do seem, i don't know, troubled by the violent insurrection, the lack of a peaceful transfer of power, and the designs donald trump, clearly, has on doing it all, again, if he gets the chance. in fact, as the midterm races heat up, lots of reports indicating republican candidates across the country are increasingly focused on the last election. running on the falsehood spread by trump and his allies that the 2020 race was stolen from him. just this weekend, donald trump did an event where he pratled on about the stolen election in phoenix with most of that state's republicans, who are running for statewide office there, attending the event. which goes t

i want the republican party, and i think what the republican party needs is to be more open minded, more hope i can bring them my way, and i'm kind of fighting that battle. >> election day for the california gubernatorial recall race is september 14th. >> you said previously there would be consequences. will there be, sir? >> yes. >>> reining in russia. those were president biden's comments following a phone call with vladimir putin in which he pressed the russian president to act on cyber criminals in his country. despite several public statements touting progress in talks, the president's staffers don't seem to share his optimism. that's according to new reporting from the magazine with them being skeptical he will crack down in the wake of attacks. one staffer going as far as he is not going to, he is wreaking havoc. this as a meeting on ransomware attack is scheduled for next week. clint walk. clint is an msnbc national security analyst. welcome to you both. daniel, let me start with you on this one. i first want to kind of get your understanding from your reporting of the phone call

how seriously is this being taken within the republican party? n the trump -- in the trump part of the party, right? the base of the trump said, they really believe it. they have been surprised, at the suburban white women that saw him on the tv, probably when they expect him to believe something that is never going to happen. possibly, dangerous. and that aspect of it is confusing. and when talking to republicans up here in washington, d.c., behind the scenes, they're not sure what to do with it. again, they know they can't speak out against something like that. and they can't say that donald trump is not going to be president, even though he's not going to be in a few days, in a week. unless he runs in 2024. it seems like the republican party is not taking it seriously or believing it. they're allowing it to tester. we've seen how, when you allow lies and conspiracy theories to fester what happens. and we have january 6th. >> i hear about the seven-point fantastical plan, and to me, it has echoes of qanon. >> it has the same vibe. one day, in th

thing that can change this kind of politics is by altering the system to be more fair, so the republican party has to reach out beyond its base, to a more diverse constituency, that will compel them to respect americans democratic rights. that's what had to happen with the democratic party in the mid 20th century, and it's what has to happen now, if we are to get of this place we are in. >> professor cobb we are stuck with the two anti-democratic structure of the senate. that adds to that, with the anti-democratic rules of the senate, creating super majorities of a body that is already not representative of the country. >> that's right. i would also add gerrymandering, this a matter not that are there to be used, and also the same time the republican party doubling down on politics that alienate african americans, alienate latinos, many asians, people have different communities, and really go for the smaller and shrinking vote of white christian americans. the only way they can make it work, is by the same members that analysts talking about. to install a kind of permanent minority ruling in t

that's become the hallmark of really what this republican party is about. he last four years during the trump years, and all that we saw from republicans during any type of congressional proceeding was antics and stunts and complaining and whining and interrupting. and now we don't have that. so we're going to finally have a straight forward fact based conversation that isn't going to get derailed by the characters. and for any republicans out there that want to call this partisan that, wants to complain about the structure, remember, they had the chance to get the 9/11 style bipartisan they wanted. what we're seeing is a by product of republican obstructionism and democrats not letting republicans off the hook. not letting republicans get away with it, they decided they're going to move forward and get the facts. i think it is a huge miscalculation on the party of kevin mccarthy to pull out any type of defense for donald trump because we all know trump is going to be watching this wall to wall on tv today. he's going to be sitting there wondering why isn't

trump himself had no goal of his own so that, i would say pretty close to the bargain that the republican partytruck by the contradiction between donald trump's well-known reputation as a great fundraiser and yetnd reporting your book and i was also that by late summer, the campaign had $200 billion budget gap and i think you write the campaign budget was in freefalla explained that contradiction. >> i think what happened, throughout donald trump's career, he's looked at the top line and ignored the bottom line. he's a man of work $10 billion without accounting for the fact that at most points he's only as much as $10 billion so the campaign, everyone knew that there was one measure he was looking at which is how much money had they raised, how much money came in through the door? he was never looking at how much it had cost them to raise that much money so in effect, the campaign was standing vastly more than they should have to attract was overwhelmingly all of the donors so at the end of the day or at that time in the summer when the first campaign manager w was fired and a new campaign mana

let me ask you about the washington post obtaining an e-mail from last november from the republican party'so challenge the election by trump lawyers rudy giuliani and jenna ellis a joke. jenna ellis has quit the gop. she wants ronna mcdaniel, the chairman of the party ousted over this leak. does this bolster the media's case that there's great division within the gop or is it in-fighting involving handful of insiders,. >> sort of both, right. i'm not sure that that many people know who jenna ellis is and are focused on whether she's registered in the republican party or not. this shows there's a large portion of republican leadership that know that they have been publicking parroting lies about the election and doubts that aren't true but they're saying it for their political advantage to help them out or to help out the republican party and that's not good for the republic. howie: i think it's a challenge for journalists to cover. there's a split between anti-drum factions and -- anti-trump factions and we have the tendency to overdrama tizethings. there was an explosion among liberal pund

how seriously is this being taken within the republican party? >> i mean, on the trump -- in the trump part of the party, the base of the trump side, they really believe it. we've had some of my colleagues who have gone to some of the trump rallies, and they've been surprised at the kind of suburban white women who if you saw them on the street you probably wouldn't expect them to believe something that is, one, obviously never going to happen, possibly dangerous. that aspect of it is confusing. even when you talk to republicans up here in washington, d.c., even behind the scenes, they're not sure what to do with it. they know they can't speak out against something like that. they can't say that donald trump is not going to be president, even though he's not going to be, in a few days, in a week, unless he runs and wins in 2024. and so it seems like the republican party is not taking it seriously or really believing it. they are allowing it to fester. and we've seen how when you allow lies and conspiracy theories to fester what happens. and that's

liz cheney not a functioning part of this iteration of the republican party. hat separation abundantly clear today. >> well, i think that's very clear. what's also clear is that since liz cheney and adam kinzinger are being attacked by almost every other republican in the caucus, including the leadership of it, it shows you that they're not interested in truth. if you speak truth as a republican, whatever the issue is, especially as related to this -- what happened on this insurrection attack by the terrorists, whether it's on health or whatever it happens to be, you can't -- you don't fit in the republican caucus. and i'm glad. i was really happy to see liz cheney. i disagree with liz cheney on a number of issues, but there's no doubting she is a very principled conservative in this. i think one thing out of this hearing today and hopefully in the days going forward that i hope happens is that the date of january 6th is burned into our psyche just like 9/11 has been burned into our psyche as a date and just like december 7th, 1941, is burned into our psyche. t

a really remarkable moment given her family lineage and, you know, what a major force in the republican party the cheney family has been for so many decades. you know, it's hard to see her motives. i think when you talk to republicans they see political motives here she's trying to raise her profile. they speculate about some kind of bid for president or something like that. it's hard to see how this plays particularly well for her within her own party at the very least. and it's also hard to see how she could become a democrat in any way, shape or form given that she still is a conservative on most issues. it just it seems at least when you analyze the politics that she's taking a principle stance on behalf of her country and is eager to sort of disown the lies, the baloney as you so nicely put it of the trump era and of the siege on the capitol. >> shannon, you get the last word. i have this theory that every time we use phrases like procedural votes this close to bedtime we lose 1,000 viewers like that. so leaving that aside how rough a shape is the president's infrastructure hopes and dre