but the point i've made is that this country, that my party, the republican party, the republican partyeeds to move away from this type of maga movement. it is alienating much of the country and a lot of republican voters. that is why we need to get something that is grounded in principles, things that abraham lincoln and many of the others to lead this party over the years aligned with. we should be looking forward. and i don't agree with the democrats on a lot of these policies, some of which you mentioned. but at the same time, we've got to get to a better place is a party and i don't think trump is the right guy. host: we don't take personal attacks on our desks, we don't allow those. james and buffalo, kentucky, good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call, i really enjoy your show. after this fella here, he has no clue what he is talking about when it comes to the economy. he is a rino and a disgrace. host: stick with the policies, what policies are you talking about? caller: i grew up in san francisco, and harris when she was there, she made a mess out of things. her and na

itself to two principles, this republican party, this is what the new party would stand for. those principles were not even important things like economic freedom or lower taxes. you know what those principles were? fight for marriage and for human dignity. they pledge themselves to oppose the twin relics of barbarism. what were they? slavery and polygamy. slavery, treating a human being as if he's a disposable object or thing, sound familiar? polygamy, undermining the very idea, the concept of marriage has not exclusive, prominent and faithful union of husband and wife. if we give up on these moral issues we have abandoned the heritage and legacy of the party. the thing that brought the republican party into being in the first place. [applause] >> you touched on this and this is the practical application of our few minutes left in this panel, how do we be faithful witnesses in an increasingly hostile culture because it begins to build on itself, you've got corporate america you've got laws and policies now that are speaking the opposite of what we are talking about, how do w

literally, donald trump has ruined the republican party for good. it will take an election cycle or two of having a third party to ultimately get back to two strong parties. right now, i think the best case scenario is, donald trump loses. in arizona, republicans have been losing in the general election for the last couple of cycles now. you would think we would have learned. we've got to hit bottom. donald trump, for the mainstream republican party me people have got to realize, that is not our future we need to broaden the tent again and have something other than backup points of view in our party. >> i don't know that that party is ever coming back. she needs to win. then, i think you may see a movement developed into a brand- new political party. >> then, that could be a discussion. what represents us, it could be a new beginning. i am sure there are people watching us who are enjoying the state the republican party is in, but it is not good for politics to have one major party working and one that is broken. >> it is not. democrats used to disag

do you think liz cheney speaks for the republican party? >> no. absolutely not. >> reporter: but jerry eiler, who once voted for trump, now backs harris. did donald trump drive you away from the republican party? >> absolutely. i'm totally disillusioned with the way the maga group has gone and all the people who stand there and like pretend his lies are truth. >> reporter: while harris has received the most support from organized labor, earlier today the international association of firefighters voted not to endorse any candidate. that's seen as a blow to harris just weeks after the teamsters union did the same.

party's nominee. where was the republican convention that year and what was the reaction among the republican party voters to that high stakes, high profile matchup between a former and current president so that the republican convention took place in june in chicago and it party was prty divided between taft supporters and roosevelt supporters. so thereere fights on the floor. there were people who were shouting. were delegates outs for roosevelt who were clashing with delegates for taft. there was a lot of energy in the party around this nomination because there was such a big division in the party and that does play out over the course of the convention. there's wild excitement for roosevelt when he shows up, but there'so still, again, that division. and when the vote ultimately happens and taft ws e nomination, roosevelt says he's leaving the party. so that split that was already visible in the convention become a real party. split after this june convention, because roosevelt basically says, if you're not going to nominate me, i'm going to take my ideas, are going to take my platform and i'm going to

about how do we get this republican party a better place? the principles i just laid out, they sustained the party for a seven years. maga, they've been around for 10 years. we understand we are not going to go back to roby were, but we need to get to a better place. we want to help shape the conversation going forward. that those principles will still be respected, and frankly thriving which should be the republican party. this isolationism and protectionism, ♪. host: what caused that? given the deep roots of the republican party, what caused it to go in the maga direction? guest: a lot of anger in the country. there always have been some dark elements within our nation and sadly i think donald trump helps bring that out with his incendiary rhetoric, how he talks to people in ways that he frankly will bring out the worst in some people. there's no restraint. we've always have these isolationist and protectionist candidates in this country, this is nothing new. but he's the first republican president who has actually embraced others. and i t

party's nominee. where was the republican convention that year and what was the reaction among the republican party voters to that high stakes, high profile matchup between a former and current president so that the republican convention took place in june in chicago and it party was et divided between taft supporters and roosevelt supporters. so there were fights on the floor. there were people who were shouting. e were delegates outs for roosevelt who were clashing with delegates for taft. there was a lot of energy in the party around this nomination because there was such a big division in the party and that does play out over the course of the convention. there's wild excitement for roosevelt when he shows up, but there'slso still, again, that division. and when the vote ultimately happens and taftinthe nomination, roosevelt says he's leaving the party. so that split that was already visible in the convention become a real party. split after this june convention, because roosevelt basically says, if you're not going to nominate me, i'm going to take my ideas, are going to take my platform and i'm goin

today slavery and in that very first platform this party pledged itself to two principles, this republican party, this is what the new party would stand for. those principles were not even important things like economic freedom or lower taxes, you know what those two principles were, they were going to fight for marriage and for human dignity. they pledged themselves to oppose the barbarism, what were they? slavery and polygamy. >> undermining the very idea the concept of marriage as the exclusive and permanent and faithful union of husband and wife. if we give up on these moral issues, we have abandoned the heritage and legacy of the party, the thing that brought the republican party into being in the first place. >> katie, you touched on this and i think this is the practical application, few minutes left on the panel. how do we be faithful witnesses in an increasingly hostile culture because it begins to build on itself and we have corporate america and you've got laws and policies now that are speaking the opposites of what we are talking about here so how do we -- how do we go forward with

my question is about the republican party. many people in the united kingdom and so many people across europe and across the world want kamala harris to win because they could about america's global engagement and consistency. but we do also need in the united states a functioning democracy, and that requires more than one normal political party. so i'm wondering what your perspective is if kamala harris becomes the next u.s. president, what is the prospect that in time the republican party would become normalized and engage in a foreign policy that at some level tracks back maybe not to what the u.s. position was previously, but to some sort of power and foreign policy that the rest of the world can engage with in a consistent fashion. >> thank you, thank you so much for your question. i've always said and i say this all the time and some of my san francisco constituents are not jumping with joy. they try to must have a strong republican party. there's just a question about that. we've had a great leaders. i made some of the

means a republican party which stands for the kind of enlightened and progressive leadership that president eisenhower urged the american people in the past four years to furnish in the next four years which is conservative in dealing with our money which recognizes there are certain needs which must be met and the federal government must work with states and individuals to meet. >> you and the president, the democrats retain congress. any explanation for that? >> if i had the real explanation. we have been trying to find out why that happened and it may change voter habits for men and candidates rather than party. labor highly selective, they would vote for a republican for president or democrat for governor or republican for the house and democrat for city council. so i think the best answer as far as republicans are concerned, this is good advice for our democratic friends, better organization, i have found the where we have top organization and top candidates, generally speaking we won. and i would add to that as far as republicans are concerned that those candidates who have

and it was founded by people who were opposed to slavery it was that republican party, the party of lincoln, and eisenhower party of reagan, and bush. it's that party that i belonged to my entire life i volunteered on my first presidential campaign. i already told you how old i am. so i'll tell you in 1976 when i was ten 10-years-old and i was ceiling envelopes for president ford's reelection campaign i cast my first vote ever in 1984 for ronald reagan, i served in the state department in both bush administrations and i served in the united states house of representatives for three terms including as the third highest ranking republican in house leadership republican even before donald trump started spray tanning conservative i believe in limited government i believe in low taxes. i believe in a strong national defense and i believe that the private sector is the engine of growth of our economy i believe that the family and not the government is the most important structure in our society. >> i know that our security and our freedom depend upon a world in which america, with our allies, lea

voice in the middle to try to accomplish bipartisan common sense solutions. - will you buck the republican party majority? - i think nobody has any doubts that i will stand up to, i've proven over and over again that i had the courage to stand up to the forr president and to my party, you know, numerous times when i think they're wrong. i'm going to work together, whoever is elected president, whoever's in the majority in the congress. i'm going to work with people when i think they're right, and i'm going to stand up to them when i think they're wrong. and that's what i've done in my entire career. - you've said that it was the republicans tanking the bipartisan border bill at trump's command that drove you to actually get into the race. - it was sort of the straw that broke the camel's back. you know, i hadn't been planning this. - right. - but but i was getting frustrated, more and more frustrated with the politics, the divided, broken, toxic politics in washington. i was concerned about our party and where we were going. you know, i helped get in the bipartisan infrastructure bill done. it w

track to a more traditional republican party that appeals to more voters, that has a hopeful, positive vision for america. and, you know, i think that's critically important that we have a healthy and competitive two party system. - larry hogan, for sharing your views and for joining me on "fire line," yet again, thank you for joining me. - thank you, margaret. - [narrator] "firing line" with margaret hoover is made possible in part by robert granieri, vanessa and henry cornell, the fairweather foundation and by the following. corporate funding is provided by stephens inc. (gentle upbeat music) (gentle upbeat music continues) - [voiceover] you're watching pbs. mister rogers' neighborhood is made possible in part by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. ♪ ♪

republicans are here. the banner is country over party. the harris campaign wants to hammer home as they reach out to former republican voters, former trump voters, conservative voters who don't understand why they might want to vote democrat but in this moment they want to pull them in and say the former president, donald trump, isn't qualified. he's not part of the republican party that you know and love. the other thing they don't hear, the race is so close. we should put it up for folks. if you look at wisconsin, the latest polling out from "the new york times" shows trump is 47%, harris is at 49%. that's within the 4 point margin. michigan 47 for trump, 48 for harris. it shows you in some ways when you look at the midwest, take that together, this is a race that the harris campaign is close and that's why they're reaching out to people. as we talked about in the last hour, a number of former republican voters, people who say they are republicans, say they cannot bring themselves to vote for former president donald trump but chief amon

here's someone who has grown up in the republican party. her father was the vice president in the republican administration and yet she's willing to stand up and say, we cannot let this man, even though he preterchds he's a republican, which he is not, we cannot let him near the white house because the damage he's already doing to our country is shameful and what he will do if he were to get the rein of power -- the reins of power back again is terrifying. >> tim, there's this idea about the protection of democracy. as we heard from tara, there's going to be a common denominator, i believe, in the messaging we're going to see at this rally, common denominator being the danger of another trump administration, another trump presidency. there are some that criticize it by saying how hyperbolic it is and the fact that we see these two figures together in liz cheney and kamala harris, does that resonate enough for people to say, you know what, i understand what's at stake? >> i think what's special about this election is that there isn't really a

republican. this is my party. it is not their party. i want to know how you think about that. because you remain a republican. >> within my party, i have hope that there's going to be a correction, but at the same time, i am a little -- have trepidation towards it. like, when -- when will it cycle through? i look at what is happening in the senate and i think, when will that -- when will they kind of age out or whatever? some of those people are very young and could be there for a very long time. and i don't think that they represent the whole of the republican party. and i think that some of that extremism -- that is a character flaw. >> is it your view that you will remain a republican for a time to come? >> you know, yes. in arizona, it is difficult to be an independent. i think in my heart of hearts, i think that's what i would rather be. but to make any different on ballots, like they were saying, you want to go and, you know, vote for the better republican candidate. and i think that is where it makes the most difference in arizona, for me, and i identify with those, you

the republican incumbent was outstanding, seen as an enemy of the party by the maga republicans who accused him of having a hand in fraud which he has fought back against time and time again. the election workers, the secretary of state's office, they have all taken precautions over the past two years for this election in particular, gearing up for whatever the fallout may be. hopefully there is no danger, but there is the possibility of people thinking that something is happening, elections are being stolen, and taking drastic action. the election workers have been gearing up for some time. host: to what degree will we see outside poll watchers this time in arizona? guest: again, it is always a possibility. we've had people who want to install guards, sometimes armed guards, who are really citizens with a concern about election security, outside of ballot drop boxes and polling places. i think that republicans, at least on the leadership for the party here, have discouraged -- well, they are trying to encourage people to be peaceful and not give democrats, for example, a reason to say that

the republican party as a set a while ago, favors the privileged few and not the common everyday man. ever since its inception that party has been under the control of special privilege and they proved it in the 80th congress. congress. they proved it by. the things they did to the people in that forum, they proved it by the things they failed to do. and you're watching american history tv's special series historic presidential elections. we're looking at the election of 1948. our guest is andrew busch civics, professor at the university of tennessee and, the author of this book, truman's triumphs the 1948 election and the making of postwar america. as we take your life to a debate between candidates running for us senate in may. you're watching live coverage on c-span2

lincoln leads the republican party, he is not a member of that party anymore. there is a new party called the national union party. the national union party is made of people who had been in the republican party and people in the democratic party and constitutional union party, and people who had not been in either of those parties. this is a group of people very much in favor of the union during the civil war and these people are thinking long-term about the future of the united states during and after the civil war. already you have a major shift during the war. they are facing up against the democrats. these are one portion of the democrats often known as the copperheads were the peace democrats and there were real differences in the way people operated as a result of this shift in party. lincoln was lucky to have had a very important military victory by william tecumseh sherman just before the election that helped secure a victory. it was not ordained that lincoln was going to win. he was the beneficiary of male in voting where a lot of soldiers had the abi

the republican party is more malleable from the democratic party. the republican party used to support high tariffs and aided, brought about, helped promulgate the rich question because we stopped trade because it was so expensive. than the republican party under reagan, we are reverting to being a high tariff party. in 1970 two democratic senators, walter mondale and ted kennedy said we need to stimulate the economy by massive tax cuts and the nixon administration said we will stimulate the economy by massive federal spending. a complete role reversal in 40 years so on many issues the republican party has changed but it has been fairly constant since reagan's time which is an understood accomplishment of ronald reagan, he changed it for a lifetime what the republican party stands for. >> creating a dynamic republican party. >> precisely. i saw some other hands. we are going to go 123 and finish, 4, five. if you could number that there. >> how are you doing? >> how are you? >> you look at the recent polls and they show that -- >> paul, paul. >> joe

i think perhaps that to me and i can say this for the president, i think the modern republican party means a republican party which stands for the kind of enlightened and progressive leadership that president eisenhowerth has furnished the american people in the past yours and continue will furnish in the next four years. it's the kind of leadership which recognizing our world responsibilities which is conservative as h he has often said in dealing with our money which also recognizes that there are certain human needs which must be met and h the federal government must work in partnership with states and individuals to meet. >> in the last congress you and the president were smashing victories all over the country. still the democrats retained congress. have you got any explanation for that? >> i suppose if i had the explanation i would be political expert, unequaled in the history in the country. we are all been trying to find out why that happened. i think perhaps it may be due to first thee change in voter habs in the country, are people now voting for men and for candidates rath

earlier today a lawsuit filed by the rnc and michigan republican party faced a hurdle in court. long to file a suit challenging the right of some u.s. citizens who live abroad to vote, to disenfranchise an entire group of citizens. mark elias is the founder of the democracy docket and he joins me now. let's start with the michigan case in which the rnc and michigan republican party are trying to stop a set of overseas ballots from being counted or going out? >> yeah, this is a big trend we have seen from the republican party. we've seen this in pennsylvania, in north carolina and as you point out, most recently in michigan. they are targeting, as you say, a subset of ballots cast by people who are living overseas, many of whom are in our military. these are military and overseas voters, so they are throwing caution to the wind, challenging at the last minute the ballots of people were stationed overseas and their dependents and it just shows that the republican party doesn't stand for anything. there was a time when the rnc would've waived the flag, but time and time again we wil

lincoln leaves republican party. he is not a member of that party anymore because there's a new party that he forms called national union party the national union party is made up of people who had been in the republican party and also people who had been in the democratic party and the constitutional unione party and people not ben in either ofno those parties. this is a group of people no is very much in favor of the union -- the unites states during the civil war and these people are thinking long-term. they're thinking about the future of the united states not just during the civil war. but after the civil war. so already, you have a major shift during the war in what the rties looked like. they're facing off against the democrats, these are one portion of the democrats often notice copperhead or peace democrats and there were real differences in the way that people operated as a result of this shift in parties. lincoln was quite lucky to have had a very important military victory by william comes to sherman just

will: similar to the union, this represents a shift to the republican party. of conversation about what the polling will be, what the difference between polling and people actually showing up to the ballot box, but you see a shift, and we've talked about it extensively, of demographics when it comes to black and latino voters. and just, again, it's an an anecdote. in detroit there's a local rapper, very famous, i think his name is trick trick. he was on stage with trump yesterday, antonio bell -- antonio brown, not common for a black football player -- rachel: antonio bill was savage. he was going after tim walz, calling him tampon tim, it was incredible. i look at these polls, i'm confused. maybe, charlie, you can help me understand this. 700% of the country -- 70% of the country saying we're going in the wrong direction but we're in a dead heat? i don't understand that. charlie: absolutely baffling. i don't get that either. but, you know, talk about changing the republican party, not only are we -- have we rejumbled all of the swing states, but -- and i don'

but go back and think about the circumstances that the republican party was founded under. and that's where you see the real historical resonance. that party came together as a kind of wild amalgam of people who were free soilers. people who were former whigs, which was a political party that basically collapsed because of sectionalism, even people from the old american party, also known as the know-nothings. those people came together, they had less in common than probably any other political organization you can think of, except for the fact that they recognized a common threat. they realized under the banner of free soil, free labor, free men, that slavery had become the defining issue and threatened to tear the country apart. so that significance of being there in repen, wisconsin, really anchors and relays the point they're making about the threat they see to american democracy right now. >> it just makes it even more sort of poetic, charlie. as somebody who you came from the old, you know, in some ways disappeared republican party. but the fragments of it are standing

again, this idea was deeply rooted in the republican party. from its inception through george h.w.ush's negotiation. that changed. it became a bipartisan consensus around trade. i think in 2016 you saw both on the right, donald trump, seeing an opening, there was a lot of pain, particularly concentrated in the rust belt states where these job losses have been so heavy. on the left you also had bernie sanders, who originally opposed nafta, and he won the michigan primary, which kept his campaign alive in the 2016 presidential campaign, largely because of, you know, opposition to free trade. so there is a lot of deep-seated anger that does not go away. these jobs are very good. they were stable, well-paying jobs, largely because of the labor unions that were -- that had won these games are -- these gains over decades. that anger does not dissipate, and in many ways has deepened. and i think nafta sort of paves the way for the rise of a lot of the right populism that has dominated the republican party today. host: we are talking with dan kaufman. he is a contributive writer for the ne

if we see harris win, i think you'll see a self correction in the republican party. k if you see trump win you're going to see a self correction in the democrat party. it's kind of the nature of what happens. >> yeah, the political parties especially, you know, the, the democrats are in a little bit of a civil war because of gaza and things like that. so, you're exactly right. i think back to the tea party and i think about the conversations you and i had in new hampshire as we were going to south carolina, and there were so many people that had moved to south carolina since you were governor. and one of the things we talked about was reminding them that you were a tea party conservative, because tea party conservatives, i mean, a lot of people don't in this, you might not even know what the tea party was, but, i mean, they were conservative and so -- >> fiscal discipline is a very big on fiscal. yeah. >> and so it's very interesting to watch kind of the shifting dynamics. but, i mean, you were at the forefront back in the day and, but that's how rapidly political par

and the republican party that i joined was a republican partyed the patriotism of the other and was not, remember small government, not overreaching into your life or your life or your life. whether it is how you want to present or your identity or it is your economic background, or it is your race, your culture, your faith. i was attracted to the republican party because it was less government, supposed to be getting out of people's lives and respecting how they choose to live to and respecting that in harmony. we have become the overreach, we have become precisely the opposite. >> three arizona republicans having trouble recognizing their own party. we will hear more from them and other arizona voters tomorrow morning starting at 10:00 a.m. on msnbc. on my show tomorrow morning, convening a meeting of the velshi book club with one of the most influential writers of the last half-century. her body of work has been starting conversations, capturing adolescent emotion, furthering women's sexual agency, and enraging book banners for decades. i wil

democratic circles for his role in pushing the war in rain rack, a wam who was once a member of republican party leadership, serving as the chair of the republican house conference just three years ago. yeah, she was there along with other republicans as part of a new wide reaching basically moral coalition who stood on the stage with the democratic nominee for president, d kamala harris, and said this. >> i tell you i have never voted for democrat, but this year i am proudlyea casting my vote for ve president kamala harris. thank you. but mostly we're not going back. i ask you to meet this moment. i ask you to stand in truth, to reject the depraved cruelty of donald trump. and i ask you instead to help us elect kamala harris for president. >> there are so many powerful forces that have been the intent on trying to demean and belittle and make people afraid, and there are many who know it is wrong, and then there are those who have the courage to speak out loudly about it and the conviction to speak truth. and, you know, it is so admirible when anyone does it and especially when it is difficult

republican. they would like to reclaim their party. i want to ask you about that because a number of them brought you up as well. what does success look like for a republican in arizona in the selection and going forward process it reclaiming the party or is the republican party losing and something else comes back in its place? >> as you are playing the long grain as a republican you want to return to traditional republican values which i think is a winning concept in arizona. is a winning platform. but we can't go down this demographic cul-de-sac, that we are headed toward now. as republicans by following what the former president is doing. i am voting for kamala harris, not in spite of being a republican or a conservative, but because i am a conservative. conservatives, first and foremost believe in the rule of law and to have a president, a former president who lost a free and fair election and attempted to overturn that election, how can a conservative support such a person. so that is the biggest reason. but there are a number, al

that choice whether they come from the romney book mcconnell, reagan, whatever weighing of the republican partylions of republicans are making that calculation today. and the reason you're upset is because harris is struggling, trump is surging any know you're part in trouble, okay. >> we have to leave it there all right. >> julian scott. thank you for that robust discussion. we do appreciate we're going to be right back a break from breaking news to air. >> have i got news for you? >> breaking news. i'm getting a sandwich. >> we need to talk about what constitutes breaking news. >> provide got news for you. tonight at nine on cnn and stream next day on max but the gains are pumping the markets closed. >> features don't sleep in the after hours bro is monley finance bro she switched careers to make money for weddings and his doctor blown up, sweetie, grab your kidney bank. we're going all in let me ask you for your wedding. >> do you want because ipo in a river let's take as something that your mother always wanted to never gotten or you could give these different investment options a shot. the

i think to me, and i can see this with the president is not the modern republican party means a republicanarty furnish the american people in the last four years when he will continue to furnish in the next four years. it is the kind of leadership which recognizes our world responsibilities which is conservative as he is often said in dealing with our money of which also recognizes their certain human needs which must be met in the federal government must work in partnership with states and individuals to meet. and the last congress shoe and the president's one smashing victories all over this country but still, the democrats retain congress. have you got any explanation for that? >> i suppose if i the real explanation i be a political expert we've all been trying to find out why that happened. i think perhaps the change in voter habits in the country. our people are voting for men and candidates rather than for parties. they were highly selective they would go down the line vote for republican for president or a democrat for governor and then a republican for the house and a democrat for

it is the only nonnegotiable issue in the republican party today.ing that you cannot say and be in good standing and donald trump republican party is that there is no widespread fraud in elections, the joe biden won the election in 2020, and that you will accept the result of the election in 2024. that is it. if you say any of those things, you are out of bounds and anything else is variable. >> you go in a voting booth, you get a piece of paper, and you vote on it. it is the same ballot that you are voting for congress. are there any republican members of congress who thought that any of their votes on the same piece of paper were fraudulent that you remember? >> no. in fact, i suggested that the house and senate would pass a law after 2020 -- i wrote this a democracy docket in 2021 -- that says if you are a member of the house and you can test the outcome of the presidential election -- in other words, if you say there's fraud in pennsylvania and you are elected in pennsylvania, you don't get seated. because the utter hypocrisy -- we are used to a

they all identify deeply with the republican party, but not with what the parties values have become you will remain a republican for time to come? >> you know, yes, in arizona. it is difficult to be an independent. i think in my heart of hearts that's what i would rather be, but to make any difference, like they were saying, you want to go and vote for the better republican candidate. and i think that's where it makes the most difference in arizona, for me. >> it is become easier and easier to not vote for people who don't stand for normal conservative principles, and instead deny election results, and try to justify an attempted coup in our country. you can't say that january 6th was a loving event where people got together and toward the capital. that is not reality. >> you know, i am heartbroken about it. and i don't really know if i'm going to remain a republican, but i also feel like i am going to say i'm in no man's land. but now i'm in woman's land, because i am a harris supporter. so i just don't know if i'm going to be able to stay with the party and the republican party tha

and the republican party i joined was the republicanly respected the patriotism of the other and remember, small government? not overreaching into your life or your life or your life. whether it is how you want to present or your identity or it is your economic background or it is your race, your culture, your faith. i was attracted to the republican party because it was less government. we were supposed to be getting out of people's lives and respecting how they choose to live and respecting that in harmony and we have become the overreach. we have become precisely the opposite. >> reporter: alex, i was here in 2020, in 2022 and here now. we have a situation where a lot of republicans are voting for the harris-walz ticket and yet this state remains deadlocked. there is still a slight donald trump advantage with two weeks to go to the election. it is a tight race, but there are a lot of republicans who have decided they are coming out not just to vote for harris and walls, but to campaign for them. >> can i ask you, and you don't have t