boehner, they are undermining mitc mcconwhole is held the republicans -- mcconnell who have held republicansing that is not helpful, they are turning to people that voted for them, saying, you know, i promised you something, well, no i'm not, you are not purpos important enough. neil: leme ask you this. they come up with a plan that does not raise tax rates but that limits deductions, and bright off allowances without raising rates there is a lot more tax revenue coming into washington wit but they have not raised rates does that pass the grover test. >> it is not the grover test, you go to american people who see their taxes increase, they will make the decision, wait, you said you were not raising taxes. you other piece to this. neil: a tax hike? >> yes, i think hard to imagine -- no, we have not look add all parameters. neil: what is what they are come up with, to avoid the rate hike, they will do all, i think by the way they could raise more money, and they might get it but it will mean much higher taxes and reverting back to old clinton era rates, but you would find that a bad thing for th

congress will be closely watching, this is republicanses as well as democrats watching public opinionw this thing works out in 2014 and you could see changes in it. gregg: the well respected management company, mckenzie came out with a report saying as many as a third of employers are now considering canceling coverage, which of course would bee light president's argument that if you like your coverage you get to kaoeupt. lower enrollment, if it happens that a lot of people just don't sign up for this thing, could that lead to higher premiums when the president promised lower premiums? >> well the president did promise lower premiums, and premiums have been going up since obamacare was passed. obviously the whole thing is not in effect yet. but -- this is something republicans have been saying all along, will it strengthen their argument? we'll have to see. they still are a minority party in the senate and they do not control the white house. i should say one of the places republicans are hoping to affect obamacare is in the states. at the recent republican governor's conference in la

the fact is an act of god couldn't bring democrats and republicansing to in this country. that's why we need an independent in congress. >> congressman cicilline. >> thank you for hosting this debate. as this campaign comes to a close i want to thank the people of rhode island who shared their ideas with me in this campaign and their time. one of the things i continue to hear from so many is frustration. there is no question washington is broken. folks feel like the system is rigged against them and they're right. big oil and big business have too much power in washington. we have to fight for the middle class. middle class families have been hollowed out in this recession. nearly 60,000 people in rhode island are out of work. thousands of seniors worried about the future of medicare and our national debt continues to grow. at the same time republicans are fighting to end made carry, fighting for more tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. these are not the right choices oriery and not the right choices for our country. it matters a lot who we send to washington