we all know that doesn't make sense and what i'm dumb founded and rersonanderson is that what i'm seeing is someone with no mobility someone being dragged, is that i'm not seeing it can i not trust my eyes. >> let me play devil's advocate. if you are protesting and you don't -- one of the ways you protest v to not -- to just go limp and have the police drag you -- >> that would make sense to me if he didn't die of severe spinal cord injuries that would make sense to me, but that is not what makes sense. so no one can tell me that my eyes are lying. i'm sure harry will tell me that but they're not. >> let me explain something first. what happens is we see him being dragged and put into the van and then partially standing up. ideaver have to look at the video a lot closer but i don't think one person would be able to keep him standing up and it's one officer. so i think he really is standing there. now, the doctor said that has a theory about a two-stage injury now, maybe when the officers tackled him, the first stage occurred to his spinal column and at the same time they drive away and t