different issues and obstacles and mistakes and failures and we did you know we had some mistakes ressam failures like anybody would but we weren't. it wasn't such that would cause a problem with society it was like we were learning and we will pass on the learning back to others so they can learn from us but it became too politicized and that's where we lost our funding so now we almost on the brink of closure and i'm looking at ways of reviving the organization i was since the new zealand attack because i believe that a grassroots community approach is the way forward in tackling extremism so i just wonder in your line of work have you ever managed to talk somebody out of committing an actual terrorist attack so it's we've worked with our organization has worked with some of the most high risk individuals in this country is not in europe. and i know i challenge you to that to check with our weather with the home office with our records and i've actually worked with individuals who were prepared to carry out acts of terrorism. and i managed to dissuade them and persuade them not to do t