the burden of unforgiveness, the -- how would you say, the vengeance, you know, that we carry for ret ra buti retribution. i don't need to go back and make you pay for anything, i just need to live my life to the fullest. i had to forgive the policeman that killed my son. it was an accident. even though it cut, like cutting me wide open, and i bled everywhere. i needed to -- i had to heal. and in forgiving is healing. for me. and i hope for the other person. >> a friend wendy always says, you have to forgive to live. that's her model, she wrote a book about it. you have to forgive to live. >> when i began my process of forgiveness, there's a whole type of light and abundance that flowed into me and flowed, my past just flowed with guidance and abundance. >> given that you've been doing this work so long now, and given that you've had to forgive a lot of people, have you or do you run into some of the same people in the work that you do now that you saw when either you were in prison or going through those difficult -- do you run into those folks? >> i run into toes folks. >> what happens when