going through the process of losing my sight, it's a degenerative condition called retinitis pitmentosa. i had a deep desire to understand the disease and condition and how i could show up and be of value. that's where god really began to speak to me. it was being in the congregation with you, listening to your great word. god moved in me to say that he had a higher calling for me. >> to see you years later, chaplain, pastoring churches. >> yes. >> part of our revival recently. >> yes. >> it's great to see that. >> it's a journey and a great journey. i should mention that part of my ministry is my full time job at kaiser at a chaplain. we did a lot of life care planning. >> fantastic. you were here three years ago for easter. >> yes. >> it was a tremendous show. i have so many guests it's hard to get back to you. but i am glad to get back to you. >> i am glad you invited me. >> we had talked about lent in the beginning. i had mentioned sometimes people shy away from lent. they like christmas, see it as joyous. what is your view of less than, your opinion and thoughts? >> my view of lent