spot to reflect on it for all the reasons you stated, but the snowden documents and what's that revealedded. there's people that are saying he should get a deal for telling the government what he released, and first talk about, you know, what's your feeling about the revelations? were you surprised to learn what the nsa was doing? to the extent they were doing it? >> guest: the relations cover such a wide swath of activity. some of what have come out publicly, no, i was not surprised about it. i knew what nsa was doing at the time. this is on the electronics surveillance. >> host: meta data collecting? >> guest: yeah, and so that was not a surprise. it was in the a surprise with the electronic surveillance activity they were doing overseas of foreign, foreign governments, and none of that was a surprise. what was a surprise to me was the massive amount of data and information snowden had access to. some of the revelations, every few days, the latest revelation and think to myself, i never knew that was going on. i didn't -- what i am saying is this 29-year-old, contrary to sending out remot