rhea milan said i seemed to be immune to pessimism, and i actually take that as a point of ride. also not softheaded or softhearted about what i'm seeing. that's the kind of trip that i tried to make. so the reviews have been quite good. seems to be selling and sort of bracing for that first really brutal review. it hasn't happened yet. >> have you heard from zuma? >> i have heard indirectly from president zuma who gave me a lot of time, eight interviews, more time than anybody else has ever had from him. and i kind of expected, i don't know, actually, what i expected. he's still trying to absorb what he thinks of the portrait that's been drawn of him, is the best way to put it. >> and my final question is, as i read the book, i couldn't help but think of the arab spring and sort of what it means to come out of this, you know, very difficult period as a nation and try to find your way to some kind of democratic rule. and i guess given your experience in south africa, what are the lessons that you see for a country like egypt, for instance? >> yeah. i think there are a well bunch