country it will still rhodesia, white will, minority rule. my own particular family were white liberals. we lived in a rural area and my mother was a doctor. i went to multiracial church or what happened -- there was a seven-year guerrilla war for liberation, and in 1980 mugabe wins election and becomes the first black then prime minister of the new nation of zimbabwe. now, at its very height, the white community in zimbabwe never exceeded 300,000, maybe a quarter of them in. i mean, really about 1% of the population, maybe. what happened at that point, a lot of whites had left during the war. the war went on for a long time. and in 1980 when mugabe came to power no one expected him, no foreign observers, the brits, the clone apart didn't expect him to come to power. he was seen as the most militant, even seen as economies. they was worried he would be the one who had kind of a racial vendetta. and, in fact, when he came to power, none of these things came to pass. he was remarkably modernist in the early days. he didn't nationalize. he reach

rhodesia, the white for will minority rule institutional racism. my own particular family were white liberals, we live in the rural area and my mother was a communal doctor and i went to multiracial church schools. what happened is there was a guerrilla war for the liberation and 1980 mugabe wins the election and becomes the first black prime minister of the new nation of zimbabwe. now, at its very height the white community in zimbabwe never exceeded 300,000. it was about a quarter of a million. >> host: so a real minority. >> guest: about 1% of the population, maybe five to 1% of the population. what happened at that point, a lot of whites left during the war. it went on for a long time. and in 1980 when robert mugabe came to power no one expected him, none of the foreign observers in the colonial power didn't expect. he was seen as the most militant, he was seen as a communist but there was worry is if he came to power he would be the one that it would have the racial vendetta and in fact when he came to power none of these things came to pass.

you have is the basic narrative of rhodesia and you asked me when i grow in that country it was minority rule and there was institutional racism and my family were white liberals we lived in the rural area and my mother was a doctor and i went to multiracial schools. there was a seven year guerrilla war map for the liberation and in 1980, mugabe wins the election and becomes the first black then prime minister of the new nation of zimbabwe. now at the very height, the white community in zimbabwe never exceeded 300,000. there was about a quarter of a million. >> host: so a real minority. >> guest: about one-tenth of the population maybe five to 10% of the population. what happened at that point a lot of whites have left during the war. it went on for a long time coming and in 1980 when mugabe came into power no one expected him -- none of the foreign observers who were the colonial power didn't expect him to come to power. he was seen as the most militant, seen as a communist. there were worries if he came to power he would be the one who had a kind of racial vendetta and in fact, when he