riccardo muti: full of light.ie: you have also said the next five years are much more important. riccardo muti: yes, we are really one body now together. we have to use the chicago symphony and the music to heal as much we can do the world because the world is an incredible difficult time. bloody time. everywhere. the music is the only -- music does not bring words generally. forget the opener or an auditorium. pure music itself -- words are the problems. in life. because with words you can save life. charlie: with words you can offend. riccardo muti: yes especially , when you say the truth you can offend somebody. if somebody says you are ugly, you are saying the truth sometimes. charlie: when you came to chicago, you left lascala? why did you leave? riccardo muti: after 19 years being together with the musicians and the many good things we did around the world, it was a big problem between me and him. a big friction. two different views, visions. that brought this fight which sometimes happens in italy -- they b

tonight in our anchor presentation, my conversations with valery gergiev, riccardo muti and philip glass. >> i was never thinking of building a new upper house or a new concert hall. we have both when we started. i was thinking the only advantage i have over everybody is i love music, they do, too, but as a leader i have to prove that they work hard and they also have to believe we'll work to prepare, then we'll expand, have quality and international commission -- international recognition, which followed quickly. i started in 1989 the orchestra and the ballet company was famous in any case. >> perfection doesn't exist. you can try all your life to discover some of the truth that is in a score, so you are faithful to what is written in the score, but this is just one part of your work. but behind the notes, you have the universe, the truth with a capital "t" and you cannot reach that point because, if you are able to know the universe behind the notes, you are good. >> these are big, great, enormous talents. but my generation, why would we do that? they had already done it. it never occu

. ♪ charlie: riccardo muti is here, one of the preeminent conductors working today.has led some of the world's best orchestras, including the vienna philharmonic and the philadelphia orchestra. he became the 10th music director of the chicago symphony orchestra in 2010. here's a look at a performance of beethoven's fifth. ♪ charlie: he will lead the chicago symphony orchestra in three concerts at carnegie hall beginning january 30. i am pleased to have you back at the table. welcome. is that the happiest moment for you when you are there with a good orchestra, music and composers that you like leading them? riccardo: this is a good question. people feel happy on the podium. i feel always that to conduct a great orchestra in front of the public that knows what they are listening, it is a big challenge every time. you cannot be completely happy. charlie: is it thrilling to be there, and each time think, i can get a better this time? riccardo: every time. one of the most difficult moments is the end of the performance, because if the public likes the performance, the pu