>> turi: ricci. >> anthony: ricci.are. >> anthony: one of my favorite things to eat. this is turi. my host. what else is out there, octopus? >> turi: octopus, and also cuttlefish. >> anthony: oh yeah. >> turi: bravo. i want to try to find some small abalone. >> anthony: nice. >> turi: and also, there's a clam. the underwater is still cold. i think they will be really full. >> anthony: i'm thinking, really? are these prime fishing waters? i don't know about this. with all this boat traffic and all these people and so close to the action, i can't see much of anything living down there. >> turi: okay, perfecto. we anchor here. >> anthony: but i am famous for my optimism. so i dutifully suited up for what was advertised as a three-hour cruise. so i get in the water, and i'm paddling around, and splash. suddenly, there's a dead sea creature sinking slowly to the seabed in front of me. are they kidding me? i'm thinking, can this be happening? splash, there's another one. another rigor mortised, half-frozen freakin' octopus.

guest: it's one of these books where i have been ricci-- researching for 20 years in some way and it opens up after the introduction about the history of fashion and shopping and i had heard when i was in grad school more than 20 years ago, well more than 20 years ago that i studied the 19th century metropolitan novel and as i was reading dickens and there is incredible story about the first apartment source and may come to paris, really the first great immense spectacular shopping wonderland, really. this extraordinary thing happens where all of these well to do women who don't need to do this for economic reasons come to the d store and start stealing from the store. it's a true story. it's a way valve kleptomania among the wealthy women of paris in these new grand apartment stores and no one can figure it out because these women can pay for the goods, but for some reason the store environment is causing them to steal and so this provokes a huge moral panic andean discussion and becomes known as the department store disease and eventually a whole series of the mind develops studyin