. >> piers, i just got a call an hour ago, and ricco wanted to tell me personally, you know, he's not okay. ever since he met with millie dowler, the murdered girl's parents, he hasn't felt the same. his voice has been cracking, people around him are very concerned, his children are very concerned. this is a man who is more devastated than he has ever been in his entire 80 years, and you know, he is appalled at what's gone on on his watch, and his anxious to get to the bottom of it as we all are. >> as i said earlier during the panel, being one the editors, when we tripped up on by what on these standard are relatively minor indiscretions, he was always -- always incredibly quick to be publicly sensourous of me or whatever editor he was offending. i just cannot accept, although there is this huge witch hunt going on to bring him down personally, i don't accept that he himself would be party to a leg illegal activity. >> being features editor at "the new york post" and working for him at "the times" and the now defunct "today" newspaper, i completely agree with you, piers. he became a