rich elliott, chair— some sense of normalcy. rich elliott, chair of _ some sense of normalcy.y committee, thank you so much for your analysis and for being with us on bbc news. thank you. being with us on bbc news. thank yon-— thank you. we heard a few minutes — thank you. we heard a few minutes ago _ thank you. we heard a few minutes ago an _ thank you. we heard a few minutes ago an official- thank you. we heard a few i minutes ago an official update on the situation in hawaii, where wildfires have been devastating the island of maui and hawaii's governor called it and hawaii's governor called it a heartbreaking day and the worst natural disaster in the state's history. he said 2000 rooms will be needed to house those who have been displaced select wasn't of some of

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live now to rich elliott, he's deputy chief of the kititas valley fire authority in washington state,e great to have us arts and thank you forjoining us on the bbc. you have been looking on those scenes from hawaii like so many of us right around the world but with your expertise in wildfires, ijust want but with your expertise in wildfires, i just want to get your assessment about what went through your head, seeing those kinds of scenes and also the scale of the response needed as well. ., , ~ , well. the thing that strikes me most is the — well. the thing that strikes me most is the challenges - well. the thing that strikes me most is the challenges that. well. the thing that strikes me | most is the challenges that are facing maui and the state of hawaii, just given the logistics of getting assistance to them. in the continental us, we can move resources a bit easier, but the life and the devastation culturally and to property is pretty daunting. it is absolutely devastating. we did hearfrom the is absolutely devastating. we did hear from the governor earlier saying the death toll

elliott, a propublica reporter who contributed to this story. justin, these vacations all sound quite luxurious, but let's say you have rich friends who want to doe the rules for supreme court justices on accepting gifts? >> yeah, it's a great question. you know, one of the striking things about this reporting is that there are very few rules for the supreme court compared to other parts of the government. i mean, we've spoken to federal employees who say they can't even let somebody buy them lunch, let alone $100,000 vacation, but there is a code of conduct for judges that says you're not supposed to be taking gifts that would make a reasonable person think there was something improper going on, and we've talked to i think seven judges now from both parties who say they would never take anything close to this, just violates judicial norms. and as a public servant, you shouldn't be sort of living the life of a billionaire essentially on the dime of people that might be trying to influence you, which is, you know, what we found is happening here. >> i mean, accepting these gifts is just the first step. i guess maybe they wouldn't accept, but if y