i just want to quote you the words of one historian, richard 0very, who has written a lot about bomberf the decisions taken, for example the fire—bombing of dresden and hamburg. he says that we need to be open and honest that the british decision was specifically to target towns, cities and civilians, to win the war. but he says, let's be honest. that was a decision taken at the top. and the air crews themselves, people like you, he says, were in many ways victims. he says you were, quoting him, he says you were sent out in often appalling conditions, in poor weather, with fear in your hearts, constantly aware of the hungry presence of death, he says. did you, and do you, think that in a way you were a victim, or is that nonsense? no, never. i don't remember feeling afraid at any time. i don't rememberfeeling any apprehension at any time. that's very hard to believe. basically, because i had joined to do a job. and thatjob was all my concentration, and that was the only thing i thought about. i talked about churchill, and you said you felt anger towards churchill when he didn't thank a