joining us now is richard aborn, the president of handguns incorporated, citizens crime commission ofk. richard welcome back. what does this mean for d.c? >> it play not mean a lot. the they are very different stories. the washington judge ruled the district lacks the ability to did not rule who can carry guns and who can do so. but what's important to note is that that's about law abiding citizens carrying guns whereas in chicago the issue is illegal guns going into the streets. >> so you don't believe that allowing people to carry guns is going to have -- make any difference necessarily? >> i think it's going to be amarginal difference one way or the other. there's a lot of states where you can carry guns. >> you don't think it's a deterrent? >> carrying guns, is absolutely not. most people carrying guns they have much less are high crime rates for people carrying guns. >> what about the crime rate in d.c? >> the crime rate won't go up in d.c. because you have go through background checks you have to get safety training you can't carry it near a school you can't carry it near a gove