these goals and there seem to be no consistency about it and this is what the forum is about richard barrett stake been has been that nothing is very straightforward these days and you can't really attach an experience of one country to another you have to look. at the countries very specific ways of moving forward the countries background the country's history as well the central topic of the forum democracy analysts disputed on what is democracy in the first place and whether it can be described with any adjectives with any attributions and it to get to be that yes indeed we've heard so many words describing democracy it turns out to be democracy can be slow it can be young it can be mature it can be direct and set transept the president made better has been saying that democracy is a process in the first place and that is just not a term and as for russia he reminded. to his guests that's about russia's very specific way of democratization he said that the nine hundred ninety s. instead of perspire attend leave but to use which reform was promised to the people brought forward to the hous

. >> richard, thanks for that. devlin barrett, the influence of money. >> yeah, it's interesting. that's a big factor in the oce investigation we talked about about the lawmakers raising money during key votes. it's actually less of an issue in terms of the rangel and waters cases although one of the things congressman rangel is accused of doing is improperly using his office to solicit money for separate outside entity that he was trying to get created with his name on it, but one of the things that you heard in that call and that you hear a lot even from some lawmakers is that there is so much money need in the system now to run for office, that even if they can't find the unethical quality of it, they believeit's there. >> the amount of money, what was roughly the amount of money that this money for one united bank, the maxine waters charges where her husband's a stockholder, how much were they looking for from that t.a.r.p. fund. >> i believe the inial ask was for $50 million. i believe that was the number suggested and bandied about at first. i believe what they took away fro

. >> richard, thanks for that. devlin barrett, the influence of money. >> yeah, it's interesting. that's a big factor inhe oce investigation we talked about about the lawmakers raising money during key votes. it's actually less of an issue in terms of the rangel and waters cases although one of the things congressman rangel is accused of dng is improperly using his office to solicit money for separate outside entity that he was trying to get created with his name o it, but one of the things that you heard in that call and that you hear a lot even from some lawmakers is that there is so much money need in the system now to run for ofce, that even if they can findthe unethical quality of it, they believe it's there. >> the amount of money, what was roughly the amount of money that this money for one united bank, the xine waters charges where her husband's a stockholder, how much were they looking for from that t.a.r.p. fund. >> i believe the initial ask was for $50 million. i believe that was the number suggested and bandied about at first. i believe what they took away from t.a.r.p