joining us now is richard barrett. he used to run britain's anti-terror operations for the last ten years. richard barrett, thanks very much for joining us. the prime minister's measures would require all airlines to comply with a government so-called no-fly list or be banned from landing in britain. the uk also raised its terror threat level to severe, which means a terror attack is, quote, highly likely. a lot of terror action going on right now, anti-terror action, i should say. someone who used to run britain's anti-terror operations, does this response right now surprise you? >> well, clearly there's a lot of anxiety in the united kingdom just as there is everywhere else in the world where -- from where foreign fighters have gone to fight in syria and iraq. and it makes every sense, of course, to introduce measures that make it harder for people to go and harder for people to come back. but, of course, that doesn't necessarily stop them all from going, nor indeed stop them all from coming back. and i think what i'

talk more about the islamic state group and how it differs from al-qaeda and other affiliates is richard barrett. and is now senior vice president of the co consultant group. al-qaeda had a lot less shame about taking money from wealthy donors. now it has become isis and now islamic state, they don't worry about that as much as they used to. >> they don't need to. the point is they have so many of their own resources really the donations that they still get from private individuals are really rather insitting. for example, the oil fields, even if they sold it at a discounted price you're talking $2 million a day. that's pretty significant money. that's a remarkable discount but they do sell it, that means there has got to be a buyer somewhere. there is speculation not turkish government but turkish business people. is that a place where the west can apply pressure? turkey is a nato country. they can be brought to apply certain security measures. >> i'm sure that's one of the revenue streams that the united states and allies will try to restrict, of course it is. but at $25 a barrel that's a hell

from new york, richard barrett, senior vice president of the sufon group. and also from our inside story studio mokhtar awad. with international policy team at the center for american policy. president obama in the last few days knocked people who were trying to have it both ways. those who accumulate wealth through the global economy and then siphon funds to those who teach their children to tear it down. can they continue to have it both ways? >> i hope not. however, we see what's going on in turkey, where the pressure is increasing there isn't enough evidence to suggest that, for instance, smuggling operations are continuing between the turkish border and isis-controlled areas stopping any time soon. movement from the turkish officials to seal their borders are something that you raised, and said, well, it's impossible. unfortunately, what we are hearing is that it benefits some of the turkish elite who are believing to some extent they're helping their fellow muslims in syria. and so even in a country like turkey, a nato country, we're not able to lay d

and richard barrett, former head of the al qaeda taliban monitoring team at the u.n.nks to both of you for being here. do you think here seeing a jump in terrorism carried out by western recruits or is it that just we in the american media are paying closer attention? >> we are seeing a jump with this current organization, isis, because i don't think we've ever seen this many western passport holders working for and fighting with a terrorist organization overseas. that said, all these arrests means the system is actually working because we know there were a fair amount of western passport holders over there, in syria and iraq. >> richard, in afghanistan's ghazni province, taliban insurgents beheaded 15 people yesterday. i know that's not completely new for the taliban to do such extreme things. but i wonder if the fact that they did this, do you think, is an example of isis tactics spreading to other groups? >> well, taliban is a different group, as you point out. but beheading is a very effective tactic both for scaring your enemy, who are less likely to stay and att