peter: so professor richard bell, this 48 page pamphlet was published. ow was it published and what did it contain? richard: oh my goodness. it was published by a publisher with a very similar last name to mind, robert bell, no relation. unlike robert i am a u.s. citizen. robert bell was a philadelphia publisher with a reputation for publishing things which might make some of his competitors are customers angry. a sort of broad agenda politically speaking. thomas payne it had been scribbling the document we now know to be common sense in the fall of 1775, and shopped it around. robert bell was happy to publish it in part because thomas payne had developed a reputation very rapidly in recent months. as an anti-british flamethrower. agitator. so robert thought he probably might cause a little stir with a pamphlet with such a prominent thesis. he certainly did not know a war for independence would be carried on the back of this pro independent pamphlet but he certainly hoped to make a buck or two. peter: let's read from common sense, in short monarchy and su

richard bell has a question for you. close going to about this exciting research. it suggests the promise of overturning her with all we knew, but cain did not have a fingerprint on the declaration, if you are able to and so might demonstrate that he did, what is at stake do you think? in that revelation? >> a great question. i so enjoyed listening to the show over the last bit. this is -- it is the writer or artist to make their own distinct impression. with the concept is much more important 18th-century. they were understood to be off anonymous. one of the most intriguing aspects of this research from my perspective is that it happens to better understand the collaborative processes across time and space. there really shedding light on democracy and media today. your colleague has been working on the specific project and they recently retired. we will see what comes next. >> what is in your view the legacy of thomas payne? while she was starting today? >> i think the conversation should be left alone. just to show that historical knowledge is not -- this as ways

peter: so professor richard bell, this 48 page pamphlet was published. how was it published and what did it contain? richard: oh my goodness. it was published by a publisher with a very similar last name to mind, robert bell, no relation. unlike robert i am a u.s. citizen. robert bell was a philadelphia publisher with a reputation for publishing things which might make some of his competitors are customers angry. a sort of broad agenda politically speaking. thomas payne it had been scribbling the document we now know to be common sense in the fall of 1775, and shopped it around. robert bell was happy to publish it in part because thomas payne had developed a reputation very rapidly in recent months. as an anti-british flamethrower. agitator. so robert thought he probably might cause a little stir with a pamphlet with such a prominent thesis. he certainly did not know a war for independence would be carried on the back of this pro independent pamphlet but he certainly hoped to make a buck or two. peter: let's read from common sense, in short monarchy and s

peter: richard bell as we were watching that you started chuckling. why? richard: the title story is one that is lovely. we think of common sense this pamphlet by thomas payne, to be this manna from heaven. at the sky pops into the story of the coming of the american revolution, actually an english immigrant. he is aggrieved with great written for personal reasons and righteous -- writes this anti-british diatribe and to put it mildly moves the needle. yet as we heard from steve friede who wrote this excellent book about regimen rush that it was slightly more collaborative than that. benjamin rush is one of the people suggesting that pain turned to the subject matter for a standalone pamphlet. he previously had been an editor of the literary magazine, the draft may have gone to benjamin franklin for review and edits although that is hard to cooperate. and then it was benjamin rush not thomas payne who even came up with the amazing title for this pamphlet. i do not know whether or not benjamin rush knew that tom payne had used to publish under the pseudonym

our guest for the past 90 minutes talking about common sense has been richard bell of the university of maryland. we appreciate your time. we will see you next week on books that shaped america. ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our program. ten years to save the west. former prime minister liz truss on fighting the global left, please welcome heritage president dr. kevin roberts. thank you and thanks for joining us. person those of you who are joining online, welcome as well, it is such an honor. host any, head of state, former head of state. it's a particular honor as you might imagine. if you remember the heritage foundation owns fondness and great friendship with lady thatcher to the woman we think walks in lady thatcher's and that is former prime minister liz truss has become one of my great friends. perhaps of my closest friends across the atlantic. and you're in for a real treat, having read ten years to save the west, this wonderful book that is being released in united states now, i can tell you that for those of us who, of course, remain about the american and british, but a

bell, who was a conservative, wrote in '73, i think it was, after f.a.p. had been left behind, he said, for two years and even for much of a third year, richard nixon and his administration worked not incompetently, and steadily to try to pass f.a.p. -- he said, i am so relieved, i have been so unhappy for the last couple of years. now, the for the first time, i don't see f.a.p. in the budget, thank god. >> susan, we were going to come back to some of the women in the administration and politics at the time. what is there to add, now? >> oh, well, i don't think much would have happened in terms of women's rights, had it not been for, really, a handful. maybe 20, 30. and mostly professional women who were pushing nixon. there were four congresswomen, for example. as soon as he was inaugurated, they wanted a meeting with him, and they had to ask a couple of times. they finally got a meeting with him after eric glasser had challenged him on the low numbers of women's appointments. went to the meeting in july of '69. they handed a sheet of paper to reporters as they went into the white house -- which was heavily critical of the administration and even called s