it's incredible, and we became best friends, and he -- his name was richard birch, and he ended up with the coat on the back of "kill them all." he was kind of in the gateway, you really had to dig for people that were of the same breed as you, and at that time, i was introduced to dozens and dozens of kids, all 17 years old, who viewed the world the same as i did. i was an only child growing up, and it just gave me a sense of identity. and so when the band came up here -- and stayed in touch with all of these guys and girls. so when the band came up here a year later, that was the beginning of the scene, you knee, and all these kids, you know, most of them ended up in bands. you know, the exodus' of the world, the forbiddens, the lost rockets, and there was just a scene up here. now, that scene was rooted, i think, in acceptance, in tolerance, in open-mindedness, again, going back to everything you associate with san francisco. here, you don't have to apologize. you don't have to try to fit in. nobody's going to judge you, nobody's going to look down on you and all that kind of stuff.