[applause] he> richard burr kaiser, when ww talk about the founding fathers what is the era that we are talking about, what are the events we are talking about? >> we are talking about the american revolution and the writing of the constitution, and those are the two keaton's and everybody that played a major role can claim to be a foundinge father. now obviously the older onesrica have careers before the american revolution of the younger ones had care oers that went on quitn few years after the signing of the constitution but that is the what we are talking about. >> or some of the older ones and younger ones?in >> benjamin the franklin the in 1706. he knows cotton mather and the died in 1790. he signs both the declaration of independence and the constitution. the last to die was james madison. he is born in 1751, and then he do is in 1836. 85 years old. so, he has seen the fight over missouri being admitted to the union. he sees nullification crisis but he is the last one. aaron byrd. but that's the other side. the dark side. >> host: in 2006, you wrote wow what would the founders do