. >> joining us to talk about this is richard butler. he served as australia's ambassador to thailand in the 1980s. ambassador, thanks for being in. good to be here. >> are we on the verge of a coup? >> not clear. we have seen this movie so many times in thailand. it plays out in a similar way. why we see it is they never addressed the problem of corruption in thai politics, and the conflict between the rural area and the capital bangkok. the army, its stance, that will determine the outcome. >> let's talk about the corruption. what do you mean by the corruption in politics, how pervasive is it. >> it's wide spread. there are many countries in the world where democracy takes weird and wonderful forms. widespread vote buying by thaksin, who was found to be corrupt. >> he's a billionaire tycoon. >> all kinds of crimes committed by him, including crimes that should lead him to be tried for crimes against humanity in his so-called drugs war when he was prime minister. some 2,500 people were killed. now, he's in exile. he ran away because the

on c- span3, we will air our look at the area's connection to the area nation and its leader, richard butlerand how concerned citizens fought against the group. here is a preview. >> an aerospace engineer who retired in the mid-70's and moved with his wife betty and they bought property and he make the land and property a nonprofit church. that was basically the birth. 1981, they burned the first cross there on the property and started holding annual world congresses. >> richard butler was not a person that was dynamic and he was not a great speaker, but he was quite effective at publicity. lot ofas able to get a publicist he not only with the national media, but even at times international media. i think they were fascinated with the idea that he created these two organizations. it was somewhat unique in the sense that his political arm, which was neo-nazi are really not the nasty datsun -- doctrine, the political arm, and then have the religious arm, different from nazi-ism in germany when hitler did not have a religious component. that really resonated with interest with the national medi