zbigniew brzezinski was president carter's national security adviser. richardas a top official in the national security council and at the state department under president bush. he is now president of the council on foreign relations. and bret stephens is the foreign affairs columnist for "wall street journal". zbigniew, we know that ann patterson, the u.s. ambassador, cautioned the military not to intervene in politics in the way that they did. are you surprised that they went ahead anyway, essentially defying the united states? >> i listened carefully to what you said, first of all, a few moments ago, and i agree with your analysis, but quite frankly, i don't agree with your prescriptions, and that's relevant to the question you have just posed. we have to face the fact that egypt is in the midst of a profound revolution that brings together three different historical experiences in egypt that are now coming to a head, a nationalist revolution against foreign domination, a social revolution against domestic inadequacies, a religious fanaticism that's on the r