what do you think it is, richard clarke?> it is clearly not thousands, but i have looked at most of those studies and i don't think any of them are systematic enough and the source is good enough to put a number on it. it is clearly too many. >> would you say clearly hundreds? >> i don't know hundreds. it is very difficult for me to know without access to the intelligence, frankly, which i don't have anymore. ahn brennan, who replaced me couple removed in the white house, at one point said there were none -- which i found laughable. no program has none. >> john brennan is now head of the central intelligence agency. in a minute we will continue with richard clarke who served as the nation's top counterterrorism official under president clinton and bush. in the last segment of today, we ask clarke of president bush should be tried for war crimes. he has just published a novel titled, "sting of the drone." stay with us. ♪ [music break] >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we c

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bush comes to the white house situation room and orders counterterrorism director richard clark to look into an iraq connection. >> when i said, mr. president, we will do that, of course, but we've done it before and rather recently, and the answer has always been no. it's likely to be no this time. he didn't like that answer. and he got mad. >> i was in the room during that time and he was very adamant about perhaps seeing whether or not iraq could conduct such an operation against the united states. i was surprised. when the president left the room, i said i believe secretary wolfowitz got to him. >> paul wolfowitz, bush's deputy secretary of defense had has saddam on his personal enemies list for two decades. >> every time he survives something, he sends the message to his enemies, i outlast my enemies and if you on the wrong list when i'm still around, you'll be in trouble. >> paul wolfowitz would become convinced that if we looked strongly enough, if we looked closely enough, we'd find the hand of saddam hussein behind virtually every terrorist attack on the united states. >> empb

is there a single piece of evidence -- >> richard clarke and others who are apparently look at informationent. he came to two of the most well-regarded newspapers in the world and he said, i am giving you this material and i want you very carefully to vet it and only release that which is necessary to inform my fellow citizens about what their government is doing -- >> glenn greenwald was the one who broke the edward snowed be story. >> with the "washington post." >> that's true. >> -- "washington post" who's a much better journalist and less biased journalist than glenn greenwald. shared the pulitzer for that. >> huge fan. with regard to this particular incident there. history will be the decider here. do we know whether anyone has died as a result of the edward snoden leaks? do we know whether the united states national security is more compromised? >> we don't know that. and we, you know, have really very few ways of finding that out. remember, like, when a cia agent is killed, his name isn't released generally. there might be a star that recognized that somewhere. so i think greenwald

clark. on the same day the flyers traded jeff carter, mike richards, jvr y recent years the flyers trade scottartnell to the columbus blue jackets and get former flyer r.j. s rumberger. hextall decided he wasn't in the flyers' plans. the flyers want more speed and believes r.j. brings more of that. he has a shorter contract. he says a team that wants you is a better place than a team that wasn't want you. >> i was upset. i was a little angry i guess, but, you know, it took a few days to look at the situation and, you know, it was hard. it wasn't easy. it was a lot of emotion. at the end of the day, and yesterday i finally decided that columbus is an up and coming team. >> woke up this morning on him texting me and saying that he's gone and i didn't believe him. so i started chirping him then finally i found out it was true. i kind of -- it's sad. it's not a fun day. >> fly >>. >>> the phillies back in town after a 5-2 road trip facing the fish. jimmy rollins honored pregame for breaking the franchise's all-time hits record earlier this month. phillies giving him and his family a trip to italy.

richard clarida. pimco's newin with neutral. this is bloomberg "surveillance," we will be right back. ♪ clark's -- >> the sport in washington, itt about the washington nationals. it is about the republican party. the politics of the capital. with madame christine lagarde, managing director at the international monetary fund. they look at the u.s. we talked to her about austerity and i talked to christine lagarde about the european commission. good morning, everyone. this is bloomberg "surveillance," i am tom keene. we will check in with you later. let's get your data check. futures pointed to a lower open, down by almost five points. buying of treasuries and other face assets. 10 year yield coming in at two point 59%. euro weaker versus the dollar. elevated oil prices, that is on the continued violence in isis iraq -- in iraq. and a new leg in the fight over natural gas between ukraine and russia. >> sterling, that is the big one. >> it has come down a little for me. >> hawkish remarks from bank of england's mark carney that rates may hike sooner than the market is expecting. acura, the fomc decision is out on thursday. how doe