engaged in that too in vietnam as well, and even to the point of working with clark clifford on his book. >> yes. one of -- richard was always in search of mentors because s own father died when he was very young, and clark was and avril harry man and dean rusk were his three principle mentors and pretty good mentors, secretary of state dean rask who actually who actually told this unformed .. fellow he should take the foreign service exam and he did and he became the youngest ever diplomat in our nation's history and was addition patched to vietnam, but vietnam made a lasting impact on the rest of his career because it was in vietnam that he rlized the limit to american power andthat how carefully we should prepare for military engagement and this was the lson that he brought to his final mission as well. >> rose: talk about that, and then we will talk about your personal experience, but in terms of afghanistan and pakistan, in my theory that he always wanted to have india as part of that sort of jurisdiction that he w given. >> he should have. >> he should have and that is the problem we face today is that the r