joining me now to discuss is richard clark.ember he served as the white house terrorism advisor to presidents president clint, president george w. bush and george h.w. bush defending the country itself and the age of cybersuccess. welcome back. i know when you get the call for advice from major corporations people who have been similarly victimized, your advice often is to pay. why? >> well, michael, while we have this pandemic going on, we have an epidemic of ransomware. and most companies, when they're hit, if they want their system back, have to pay. and the reason for that is two-fold. one, the data has properly been ex filtrated and placed on the web to the company's embarrassment if they don't pay. and two, if they enlist the backup, the enlist is probably encrypted as well. if they want to get back into business in a matter of days, or matter of weeks they should pay. now, paying doesn't help public good because it's money going to criminals. but if the company is looking after its own good and hasn't done a good job on

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