on the way back from lunch, richard desmond announced publicly there'd been some form of truce. i asked murdoch about that, and can he said no truce had been created, and he just thought richard desmond was making trouble. and that is that really. >> but in all events, you say there wasn't a truce. if there was one, it didn't last very long anyway, did it? >> well, i don't believe there was a truce, and i think that the proof is in the pudding, so to speak. you know, the express continued to attack me, you know? so, um -- >> but this is a microcosm, i suppose, where it is the sort of privacy intrusion, harassment concerns which we were touching on earlier. there isn't really a public interest in talking about you in this way, is there? >> um, i hi if he had -- i think if he had found something genuinely shocking about me, then he had every right to publish it. he still does, you know? >> no, but what he did publish, there was no public interest in publishing, was there? or do you think there was? >> i don't personally, no. i don't think so, no. >> but i think all i'm gently tryi