by richard desmond funnily enough, my former boss at the sunday express and it did land him in some hot water. i didn't know they were that. have the gloves come off. >> oh, i'm not sure that they were ever on really, really . i were ever on really, really. i mean, there's been a lot of briefing from both sides in the press. it's quite obvious, or at least it looks very much like it's coming from these both camps. and it does make life quite difficult in the sense that there aren't all that many. there are. so few mps left that you kind of want all of your good people to be on the team when it comes to it. >> yes. i'm going to ask kemi whether she would have robert jenrick in her team. robert jenrick, in turn, has said he would like somebody like jacob rees—mogg, my would like somebody like jacob rees�