the troops against all non white groups and usher in what richard spencer once called any world of political violence. joining me now is karen dunnd in the hbo original documentary, no accident, which if you're interested in this, he should watch it, a huge wake up call, about the civil lawsuit against the organizers of the ignite the right rally in charlottesville. karen, thank you for joining me and writing this to, i just want to start, because i think when people hear this, they're like, why are white supremacist showing up at the pro palestinian rallies? what do they want out of this? >> overall, john, thanks for having me, what they want is that they want an all-white ethnostate in north america. as crazy as that sounds, that is actually an articulated goal of the new not sea and white supremacist movement in the u.s.. one of the things that helps them rally the troops is antisemitism, so, now, in the u.s., we are experiencing a massive uptick in antisemitism, that will disrupt something like 285%, and they wait supremacists, neo-nazi groups, see an opportunity to advance some of the same teams and same antisemitic tropes t