also richard feldman, president of the independent firearm owners association.you both. >> thank you. >> elvin, incredibly sad story. it should never have happened. tell me why you believe a background check would have possibly saved your sister. >> i do believe a background check would have saved her life, because the killer went online. and purchased a gun in a mcdonald's parking lot the day before he committed the murder and then he went to the salon and shot seven people and killed my sister. and two of her co-workers. so i not only believe a criminal background check would have helped but also a cooling off period. that may help in that case, as well. >> richard feldman, we've debated this a few times. but when you hear something like that, what is your response to that? do you still believe there's no need for universal background checks? >> well, piers, the independent firearm owners supports universal background checks for people who don't know each other. be it at gun shows or online, to prevent exactly this particular type of tragedy. we brought the le

also richard feldman president of the independent firearms association and on round table last week with us with vice president joe biden and is backing the background bill and the white house continued its own pr offensive keeping parents and relatives of newtown front and center. unfortunately, some democrats talking about not having the courage to face voters next year. democrats running for senate appear to be too cowardly to go out and try to make it harder for members of al qaeda to get bushmasters at gun show. >> so ludicrous as you pointed out because of the polls. you break the polls down in every state -- >> what would you say to democrats that are running away from 90% issue? >> you're dumber than a wuss. >> and you're going to lose? >> and you're going to lose and lose support. look. the whole argument is the reason you're seeing some of the gun groups come over is because as pat toomey said, background checks aren't gun control. >> by the way, pat toomey supported background checks and still got elected to the senate. >> absolutely. he is going to get, i think, he helped him

the panelest engage the vice president dreg including richard feldman.wners association and tina wilson-cohen and dr. cedric alexander, the police chief from dekalb county, georgia. and colin goddard, a survivor of the virginia tech shooting who was shot four finals in this. >> this was a great panel. >> it was. certainly everybody had a lot to offer. >> two of the four members were pretty direct with the vice president where they disagreed with him. >> good conversation. here is part two of our exclusive round table discussion. so i want to broaden it a little bit to bring in our other guests because, obviously, good argument can be made that background checks would have done nothing to stop what happened at sandy hook. a ban on assault weapons, is that something, as a lot of our guests on the show from capitol hill have said, something that you'd like to work toward at some point? >> yes. well, look. i think certain represents of war just don't belong on the street. but, look. let's talk about sandy hook for a minute. i love the argument they say, well